PSA/SGC Waiting Lines At 2019 National

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I don't think anyone thinks that something will happen to stop guys from altering cards in the future. There will always be scammers in the hobby and folks that alter cards for financial gain. I don't think that is in debate.

The only thing that will stop the scammers is to take away the financial gain but of course we know that will not happen because too many collectors NEED the best of the best (as long as the flip says its the best regardless if the card isnt). As for me, I do not buy high dollar cards but you can make darn sure the next card I buy that is going to cost me more than the price of a cup of coffee will be given a thorough once over where I am convinced no work has been done to it. I know I will spend a few more minutes reviewing any potential card I purchase than the TPG's will do and if I am fooled then its on me.

Collectors must educate themselves or else they will rely on the TPGers and continue to get burned like they have been.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by whitehse

The only thing that will stop the scammers is to take away the financial gain but of course we know that will not happen because too many collectors NEED the best of the best (as long as the flip says its the best regardless if the card isnt). As for me, I do not buy high dollar cards but you can make darn sure the next card I buy that is going to cost me more than the price of a cup of coffee will be given a thorough once over where I am convinced no work has been done to it. I know I will spend a few more minutes reviewing any potential card I purchase than the TPG's will do and if I am fooled then its on me.

Collectors must educate themselves or else they will rely on the TPGers and continue to get burned like they have been.

Agree does anyone else think at this point that PSA’s brand has lost its relevance in being able to consistently determine wether a Card has been altered or not?
To me they have ......registry and pop mean nothing to me...their pop report has always been inaccurate
Can we have a New Pop Report By Newport Beach on altered Cards in holders with number grades

[Republicaninmass]

Lines will be 2x longer than last year

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Lines will be 2x longer than last year

Agree Sir number 1 thing in this hobby, despite what people say is MONEY...greed has corrupted it.....we all know and have known for years so it continues to be the Wild West Absolutely No Rules No Morals Prove It Zero Consequences
We all know what we are getting into.l....it’s sad but it is what it is.....

Sometimes You Just Have to Go Your Own Way

[barrysloate]

So the hobby will move forward with the recognition by all or most collectors that there will be altered cards regularly offered for sale. In a logical world, any hint that a high grade card might be altered would result in a deep discount, since most collectors would recognize the high probability of not getting an actual high grade card.

But in the bizarro way our hobby has evolved, those very cards will continue to set world records. Why is it that no matter how many times I think about this, I still can't seem to accept the stupidity of it.

It's like selling horse meat and calling it filet mignon. It's selling spam and calling it caviar. It makes no f#cking sense.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

So the hobby will move forward with the recognition by all or most collectors that there will be altered cards regularly offered for sale. In a logical world, any hint that a high grade card might be altered would result in a deep discount, since most collectors would recognize the high probability of not getting an actual high grade card.

But in the bizarro way our hobby has evolved, those very cards will continue to set world records. Why is it that no matter how many times I think about this, I still can't seem to accept the stupidity of it.

It's like selling horse meat and calling it filet mignon. It's selling spam and calling it caviar. It makes no f#cking sense.

Certain people buy the flip, not the card. So long as the number on the flip is high enough, some people will be happy to far overpay even if the actual card looks like it went through the garbage disposal. If you look at it that way, it makes a certain kind of sense. It is both bizarre and more than a little sad from my perspective. But unfortunately, that does not make it any less true.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

So the hobby will move forward with the recognition by all or most collectors that there will be altered cards regularly offered for sale. In a logical world, any hint that a high grade card might be altered would result in a deep discount, since most collectors would recognize the high probability of not getting an actual high grade card.

But in the bizarro way our hobby has evolved, those very cards will continue to set world records. Why is it that no matter how many times I think about this, I still can't seem to accept the stupidity of it.

It's like selling horse meat and calling it filet mignon. It's selling spam and calling it caviar. It makes no f#cking sense.

Because you won't accept that the flip, not the card, is now the commodity for some people.

[VintageBen]

SGC's lines will be longer this yr, because I think their computer system crashed last year.... all i know is that there wasn't any buzz near the SGC compound

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Because you won't accept that the flip, not the card, is now the commodity for some people.

I understand the reason, but a flip is not a commodity. It's a piece of paper with some information typed on it. The baseball card is the commodity. That's why I call it a bizarro world.

When I decide to sell my Honda CR-V, I'm going to put a "Rolls Royce for Sale" sign on it. I'll let you know how I do.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

So the hobby will move forward with the recognition by all or most collectors that there will be altered cards regularly offered for sale. In a logical world, any hint that a high grade card might be altered would result in a deep discount, since most collectors would recognize the high probability of not getting an actual high grade card.

But in the bizarro way our hobby has evolved, those very cards will continue to set world records. Why is it that no matter how many times I think Abs out this, I still can't seem to accept the stupidity of it.

It's like selling horse meat and calling it filet mignon. It's selling spam and calling it caviar. It makes no f#cking sense.

It’s depressing as hell, and was the master plan of the TPGs. The money-driven “bad apples” in the collecting world are driven by ego and greed... and they were ripe for the picking. Now this mess is what we’re left with.

[topcat61]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

So the hobby will move forward with the recognition by all or most collectors that there will be altered cards regularly offered for sale. In a logical world, any hint that a high grade card might be altered would result in a deep discount, since most collectors would recognize the high probability of not getting an actual high grade card.

But in the bizarro way our hobby has evolved, those very cards will continue to set world records. Why is it that no matter how many times I think about this, I still can't seem to accept the stupidity of it.

It's like selling horse meat and calling it filet mignon. It's selling spam and calling it caviar. It makes no f#cking sense.

I always thought an altered card was worth 10% of it's original value? also though that Dr. James Beckett had all this nailed down as "industry standards"? Maybe you can help me understand something. Beckett used dealers financial accounts dent to the company to come up with a statistical formula to calculate a cards worth...is that what PSA does? Would it be a conflict of interest for PSA to grade cards and come up with a value for their graded cards in their price guide? Thanks.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Copa7

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I think PSA will have shorter lines, at least with intelligent collectors.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oxymoron.

Self-aggrandizement

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by topcat61

I always thought an altered card was worth 10% of it's original value? also though that Dr. James Beckett had all this nailed down as "industry standards"? Maybe you can help me understand something. Beckett used dealers financial accounts dent to the company to come up with a statistical formula to calculate a cards worth...is that what PSA does? Would it be a conflict of interest for PSA to grade cards and come up with a value for their graded cards in their price guide? Thanks.

Not true at all......the "altered" card arena varies in price depending upon how nice the card looks.

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by topcat61

I always thought an altered card was worth 10% of it's original value? also though that Dr. James Beckett had all this nailed down as "industry standards"? Maybe you can help me understand something. Beckett used dealers financial accounts dent to the company to come up with a statistical formula to calculate a cards worth...is that what PSA does? Would it be a conflict of interest for PSA to grade cards and come up with a value for their graded cards in their price guide? Thanks.

BEckett has always been irrelevant in all honesty. Many cards have always sold easily for much more than their guide listed while many others sold for much less. It was never a price listing or bible despite the misuse of it by some, apparently yourself included. I predict lines will be comparable to years before if not longer.

[Jewish-collector]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Sometimes You Just Have to Go Your Own Way

Sometimes you gotta say WTF