Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

Dpeck100 · #1 07-05-2019, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wilt RC 3K gain
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3784

What is alleged to have been done to this card?

I can't tell that anything has been done other than a bump in grade. The thick mylar sleeve that BVG uses causes scans to look different.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 07-05-2019, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100

What is alleged to have been done to this card?

I can't tell that anything has been done other than a bump in grade. The thick mylar sleeve that BVG uses causes scans to look different.

A 2 grade bump, especially FROM a Beckett holder to a PSA, seems highly unlikely to me without some improvement, but I'm not sure. The descriptions by PWCC sure are night and day which in and of itself is interesting.

steve B · #3 07-05-2019, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100

What is alleged to have been done to this card?

I can't tell that anything has been done other than a bump in grade. The thick mylar sleeve that BVG uses causes scans to look different.

The shadows from the photo corners have been removed, and probably the indents they caused as well.

Dpeck100 · #4 07-05-2019, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

The shadows from the photo corners have been removed, and probably the indents they caused as well.

If Moser has recolored cards I wonder why the white dot next to the L is gone but one is above the A.

The right edge looks rougher in the PSA holder. The chipping on the upper left on the reverse looks worse.

steve B · #5 07-05-2019, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100

If Moser has recolored cards I wonder why the white dot next to the L is gone but one is above the A.

The right edge looks rougher in the PSA holder. The chipping on the upper left on the reverse looks worse.

All hazards of working with scans that aren't al that high res.

I think the white dots in that area of the front are debris inside the slab or on the scanner. That they weren't called out on the blowout post makes me think they see it that way too rather than as recoloring.

I sort of whish it was in a PSA slab before. I looks like the red got brightened a lot, but that could be the scanner. A comparable before would help tell, but we don't have that.

Both the chipping and roughness could be made worse by the soaking that removed the shadows from the album and corners. I had a good long look at them and sort of see what you're saying, but also see areas of the edges that are a tiny bit smoother.
Again, that could just be the scans, but there has been some cleaning.

Dpeck100 · #6 07-05-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

All hazards of working with scans that aren't al that high res.

I think the white dots in that area of the front are debris inside the slab or on the scanner. That they weren't called out on the blowout post makes me think they see it that way too rather than as recoloring.

I sort of whish it was in a PSA slab before. I looks like the red got brightened a lot, but that could be the scanner. A comparable before would help tell, but we don't have that.

Both the chipping and roughness could be made worse by the soaking that removed the shadows from the album and corners. I had a good long look at them and sort of see what you're saying, but also see areas of the edges that are a tiny bit smoother.
Again, that could just be the scans, but there has been some cleaning.

I thought soaking was deemed okay.

So has anything really wrong been done?

Peter_Spaeth · #7 07-05-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I thought soaking was deemed okay.

So has anything really wrong been done?

Soaking in a chemical bath is not OK according to many or most.

swarmee · #8 07-05-2019, 07:15 PM

Soaking of any post-war card is probably against the general consensus, because the composition of the cardboard differs. Soaking a pre-war card in distilled water does not damage the card, done properly. Soaking a post-war card probably does, especially with chemical solvents. And yes, this card appears to have the toning removed (a la the WWG DiMaggio).

Dpeck, just because some random guys on a message board say that "soaking is okay" doesn't make all soaking okay. Especially when PSA has N-7 and SGC has Cleaned as reasons they don't give number grades to cards that have been soaked with bleach.

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N-7 Evidence of Cleaning - When a whitener is used to whiten borders or a solution is used to remove wax, candy, gum or tobacco stains.

jad22 · #9 07-05-2019, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

All hazards of working with scans that aren't al that high res.

I think the white dots in that area of the front are debris inside the slab or on the scanner. That they weren't called out on the blowout post makes me think they see it that way too rather than as recoloring.

I sort of whish it was in a PSA slab before. I looks like the red got brightened a lot, but that could be the scanner. A comparable before would help tell, but we don't have that.

Both the chipping and roughness could be made worse by the soaking that removed the shadows from the album and corners. I had a good long look at them and sort of see what you're saying, but also see areas of the edges that are a tiny bit smoother.
Again, that could just be the scans, but there has been some cleaning.

There is a print dot or something on the BVG that is not there later. Almost like a pen mark.

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