Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

Dpeck100 · #1 07-05-2019, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Some of it is obvious, many cleaned cards are blinding white for example and how the hell a TPG missed them is beyond me. Some no doubt are difficult to detect at least with an assembly line grader.

I have to yield to your expertise on this topic.

If there are ways to clean cards and improve them without a grading company being able to tell than it is impossible to stop it.

I am not certain though that high end buyers are totally in the dark on this issue based on Brent's video. Most wouldn't watch it because they can't stand the guy. I watched the entire video and it appears this "conservation" has taken place to many cards and the way he framed it was it was very well known.

swarmee · #2 07-05-2019, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100

If there are ways to clean cards and improve them without a grading company being able to tell than it is impossible to stop it.

I am not certain though that high end buyers are totally in the dark on this issue based on Brent's video. Most wouldn't watch it because they can't stand the guy. I watched the entire video and it appears this "conservation" has taken place to many cards and the way he framed it was it was very well known.

To your first point, then what value does grading have?

To your second, it's not like the video was posted on Brent's website or www.psacard.com for anyone to see it except for people like us who read message boards.

Since you agree that the "alterations" are widespread ("conservation" just being subterfuge), and PSA and other grading companies are INCOMPETENT at their core mission of detecting alterations, where do we go from here? How long until the word actually spreads among the collectors that aren't on message boards and nobody pays PSA/Beckett/SGC thousands of dollars a year (or card) on grading fees because there is no longer a premium awarded for high-grade cards?

Dpeck100 · #3 07-05-2019, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

To your first point, then what value does grading have?

To your second, it's not like the video was posted on Brent's website or www.psacard.com for anyone to see it except for people like us who read message boards.

Since you agree that the "alterations" are widespread ("conservation" just being subterfuge), and PSA and other grading companies are INCOMPETENT at their core mission of detecting alterations, where do we go from here? How long until the word actually spreads among the collectors that aren't on message boards and nobody pays PSA/Beckett/SGC thousands of dollars a year (or card) on grading fees because there is no longer a premium awarded for high-grade cards?

I don't really see the cleaning as incompetence. This board educated me on the concepts of alterations on older cards and it is clear there are techniques that you can't consistently detect.

There are loads of collectors like me who buy raw cards and filter them and send in the best ones. That is not going to stop. Obviously after hearing Ken Kendrick's comments on the Wagner the whales aren't going to just quit buying cards either.

As for grading the idea that it is going to die is ridiculous. This to me sounds like people boycotting Chick-fil-a. Plenty already weren't going there and they don't impact demand and as others drop off new people emerge.

The overwhelming percentage of people who submit cards have no clue how to doctor them. Those are the facts.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 07-05-2019, 09:02 PM

Allegedly altered cards in the new PWCC auction.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1304350

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