T206 Blue Old Mill Back

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by hpkatz26

The auction company has asked that no pictures be published on this card until it has been graded - no one wants to mislead anyone here. Let's wait and see how the grading effort turns out and then pictures can be posted for everyone to see. I also believe the auction company might show it at the upcoming National so if you're attending the upcoming National at Rosemont, please stop by the REA tables and ask if you can see it. Sorry but that is the best advice I can give to everyone. Thanks to everyone for their interest. I don't think you will be disappointed in the outcome and the card will not be put up for sale until the grading controversy is resolved to everyone's satisfaction. The proof will be in the pudding! Best regards all, Howard

In one way, I can understand their decision but in the other, I think it could be a mistake. The opinion of many of the members here on Net54 is very important. Not all of us will make it to the National to see it. Hopefully REA realizes that this card deserves a little more than the normal auction. Looking forward to seeing if it grades. I hope it does, it will make grading mine easier.

[sb1]

In regards to the Blue back Sovereign I posted above, SGC did in fact holder it Authentic and each person on their staff(and the floor), unequivocally said it was Blue. SGC just won't label any color errors on the flips at this time due to policy. They stated that I could tell people it was Blue, the A label basically portrays their opinion of it being Blue as well, and being a legitimate card.

I have added a scan of the front, most had seen it elsewhere, it appears to be missing the red and/or orange color pass. At one time someone said the card might have been soaked and changed colors, I have seen 100's maybe thousands of soaked T206's and none have changed colors, the ones done chemically turned out psychedelic. And..if the card were soaked turning the green blue in some way, why is the grass still green on the front...Printers scrap maybe? Doctored I doubt it, it was unknown to it's owner in a large T206 holding.

[atx840]

Interesting. The third blue Old Mill is definietly blue.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by atx840

Interesting to see these variables show up. The third blue Old Mill is definietly blue.

I held that one as well, and it is blue, not faded.

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by sb1

In regards to the Blue back Sovereign I posted above, SGC did in fact holder it Authentic and each person on their staff(and the floor), unequivocally said it was Blue. SGC just won't label any color errors on the flips at this time due to policy. They stated that I could tell people it was Blue, the A label basically portrays their opinion of it being Blue as well, and being a legitimate card.

Just curious.... How much did SGC charge grading these kind of oddities cards? It is difficult to put a price estimate on these kind of cards.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sb1

In regards to the Blue back Sovereign I posted above, SGC did in fact holder it Authentic and each person on their staff(and the floor), unequivocally said it was Blue. SGC just won't label any color errors on the flips at this time due to policy. They stated that I could tell people it was Blue, the A label basically portrays their opinion of it being Blue as well, and being a legitimate card.

I have added a scan of the front, most had seen it elsewhere, it appears to be missing the red and/or orange color pass. At one time someone said the card might have been soaked and changed colors, I have seen 100's maybe thousands of soaked T206's and none have changed colors, the ones done chemically turned out psychedelic. And..if the card were soaked turning the green blue in some way, why is the grass still green on the front...Printers scrap maybe? Doctored I doubt it, it was unknown to it's owner in a large T206 holding.

Hi Scott

Cool Sovereign, it's for real. As, I'm sure you know, it's simply a color printing error which is missing the yellow ink in order to create the green back.

Sovereign (and American Beauty) cards can be found with blue backs; but, they are an extremely rare "breed". The yellow ink in the 6-color printing
process preceded the blue ink; therefore, it is very unlikely to find one. However, they do surface on rare occasions.

As I said, you have a real cool card there.

P.S.….why did they grade it an "A" ? It appears to be factory cut.


TED Z

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[steve B]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Scott

Cool Sovereign, it's for real. As, I'm sure you know, it's simply a color printing error which is missing the yellow ink in order to create the green back.

Sovereign (and American Beauty) cards can be found with blue backs; but, they are an extremely rare "breed". The yellow ink in the 6-color printing
process preceded the blue ink; therefore, it is very unlikely to find one. However, they do surface on rare occasions.

As I said, you have a real cool card there.

P.S.….why did they grade it an "A" ? It appears to be factory cut.


TED Z

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except for the factory overprints, I've never seen anything that would remotely make me thing the backs were multiple passes of two colors.

The blue Sovereign could be real, but a missing color pass wouldn't be the reason.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by steve B

except for the factory overprints, I've never seen anything that would remotely make me thing the backs were multiple passes of two colors.

The blue Sovereign could be real, but a missing color pass wouldn't be the reason.

I have never seen a single T206 with a print offset on the back. If multiple layers I think they would have to be out there.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by steve B

except for the factory overprints, I've never seen anything that would remotely make me thing the backs were multiple passes of two colors.

The blue Sovereign could be real, but a missing color pass wouldn't be the reason.

thank you.

[Jobu]

I looked at the Blue OM Elberfeld at the National. It looks legit to me. What I would really like to see is that card, the Powell, and the Walsh all at the same time. I am definitely leaning strongly toward their being legit.

I do not think that the Sov Campbell card is really blue ink. The front and back are fully toned, the red and some other colors are extremely washed out from the front, and I think whatever caused the toning and ink changes on the front also changed the shade of the green on the back.

[sb1]

If that is the case why is the grass on the front still green?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jobu

I looked at the Blue OM Elberfeld at the National. It looks legit to me. What I would really like to see is that card, the Powell, and the Walsh all at the same time. I am definitely leaning strongly toward their being legit.

I do not think that the Sov Campbell card is really blue ink. The front and back are fully toned, the red and some other colors are extremely washed out from the front, and I think whatever caused the toning and ink changes on the front also changed the shade of the green on the back.

+1

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jobu

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I do not think that the Sov Campbell card is really blue ink. The front and back are fully toned, the red and some other colors are extremely washed out from the front, and I think whatever caused the toning and ink changes on the front also changed the shade of the green on the back.

Hi Bryan, ole buddy...….I am reluctant to disagree with you here on this Blue SOVEREIGN back. As, we agree on so many other things. Anyway, shown here are the Campbell's
in my three T206 sets. Note variations in their sunset colors. Their PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN and SWEET CAP (Fac. #30) backs are normal. I've seen many T206 Campbell cards,
and their "sunset scene" can be all kinds of colors.

I'll reiterate....Scott's Blue SOVEREIGN back is simply a printing ink error. The printer at American Litho got his ink colors mixed-up (or perhaps he was color-blind). Eventually,
more Blue SOVEREIGN cards will show up, just as more Blue OLD MILL cards have shown up.





TED Z

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