David Hall auctioning his t206 master collection

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Card doctoring has been rampant for decades. I don't know what you mean by "before all this card doctoring." The Harris Collection was what, 1990s?

I meant before this Moser/PWCC scandal jumped off. I know there have been issues with cards before that but nothing to this current level of impact. Maybe social media is driving the topic further than it normally would be. When the whole T206 Wagner thing happened, nearly anyone was worried about buying PSA graded cards or having altered cards in their personal collection. My main opinion was that David's collection has the same risk that other cards had, before the Moser scandal happened.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I meant before this Moser/PWCC scandal jumped off. I know there have been issues with cards before that but nothing to this current level of impact. Maybe social media is driving the topic further than it normally would be. When the whole T206 Wagner thing happened, nearly anyone was worried about buying PSA graded cards or having altered cards in their personal collection. My main opinion was that David's collection has the same risk that other cards had, before the Moser scandal happened.

Again, in my opinion, the current level of impact is only due to message board and now media publicity. The same problem, in the same percentage, applies to cards graded since day one. And it's a major problem. High grade T206s in particular, see the Harris Collection and so on.

Plus, you have the added fact here that PSA graded its owner's cards. There is certainly a potential conflict.

Maybe they're all fine. But there is certainly reason for caution, IMO.

[darwinbulldog]

What percentage of all PSA (numerically) graded T206s do you think are altered in some way that should have disqualified them from a numerical grade? 0.1? 1? 10? 50?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

What percentage of all PSA (numerically) graded T206s do you think are altered in some way that should have disqualified them from a numerical grade? 0.1? 1? 10? 50?

Applying PSA published standards literally, such that pressing out a corner or surface wrinkle, or any erasure, would count as an alteration?

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Applying PSA published standards literally, such that pressing out a corner or surface wrinkle, or any erasure, would count as an alteration?

Let's say it's acceptable if you just use your fingers but if you use any other equipment or any chemicals other than air and water it's no good.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Let's say it's acceptable if you just use your fingers but if you use any other equipment or any chemicals other than air and water it's no good.

I am only speculating. But I would guess
1-3 5-10 percent
4-7 20-40 percent
8 and up 50 percent or higher

[JohnP0621]

A lot of the PSA graded cards that Hall purchased were thru auctions and EBay etc. He really pushed the market value up on the rare backs . These cards were already graded by PSA and not submitted by him and I believe most if not all remain in the same PSA holder with the original grade for his purchases.
I am a low to mid grade pre war collector with mostly cards graded PSA / SGC 3-5 so I'm not that concerned with buying graded cards for my collection.
It really Sucks for High End collectors but this crap has been going on for.a Very very long time . Where there is $$$ to be made there will always be Greedy people looking to take advantage.
Really puts a black cloud over the hobby but I love collecting and will continue buying at a slower pace.
John P