N284 Buchner Gold Coin Checklist Add?

bigfanNY · #1 07-20-2019, 11:35 AM

Too hard? Ok I will break it down even more simply than
1- wrong size
2_wrong stock
3-wrong pose
4-Wrong colors
5-wrong back

Look at the card start at back ground( close but inconsistent with All known examples)
Then feet the shoes are way to simple they dont match All known examples)
Uniform no shading again simple drawing not up to the quality of Gold coins
Hands holding what? , hands are again to simple and baseball is not even round. Not matching all known examples...

This is just too simple it dose not Match any known examples and a close look shows drawing to be a MUCH POORER quality than ....again all known examples

When as a young man you were sent out for some shinola did you fall for the stinky brown bag with Shinola written on it or did you inspect it a little closer and come home with the right thing?

Leon · #2 07-20-2019, 12:09 PM

You may be right. And I agree that the motive is almost always money. But if that is the case,and it may be, what is this like a $50 scam? I will stick to my percentages. Would really love to fondle

it a little bit.

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Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Too hard? Ok I will break it d
own even more simply than
1- wrong size
2_wrong stock
3-wrong pose
4-Wrong colors
5-wrong back

Look at the card start at back ground( close but inconsistent with All known examples)
Then feet the shoes are way to simple they dont match All known examples)
Uniform no shading again simple drawing not up to the quality of Gold coins
Hands holding what? , hands are again to simple and baseball is not even round. Not matching all known examples...

This is just too simple it dose not Match any known examples and a close look shows drawing to be a MUCH POORER quality than ....again all known examples

When as a young man you were sent out for some shinola did you fall for the stinky brown bag with Shinola written on it or did you inspect it a little closer and come home with the right thing?

RCMcKenzie · #3 07-20-2019, 12:13 PM

Jonathan, I respect your opinion on this, I'm just not as passionate about my take on this. TedZ mentions a 4th or 5th Brooklyn player found, McClellan, originally catalogued by Burdick, but only recently known. From Lipset's book, Brooklyn cards did not fit the 8 subject pattern of most teams. I looked through my 50 or so cards and I do not have any Brooklyn players.
This card has all the trademarks of the series' artwork. The belt and spats on this card match the style of other cards I have. I have seen different colors on Boston uniforms. I don't have all the answers. It's not my card. If you are right, then the creator of the fake has a better understanding of the set than I do.

steve B · #4 07-20-2019, 02:12 PM

The McClellan shown on the old cardboard site also has no pinstripes.
And at least two other subjects have poses that are not duplicated.

I'd have to see the details up close. Modern printing should be really obvious.

RCMcKenzie · #5 07-20-2019, 03:06 PM

Thanks for chiming in SteveB. Same uniform. To the OP, Jeff, where did you find this card?

bigfanNY · #6 07-20-2019, 04:54 PM

Yes maybe the person who faked this card used this uniform as model.( but I think I have seen this player and that card had pinstripes not 100% but I will follow up) But look close he still did a awful job, clearly got shoes wrong the real card like all the real gold coins is more detailed they have laces. The card from the OP just has a simple stright line. Simplified uniform no shading just a few stright lines. And the hands have no thumbs ( I just looked at 50 Gold coins on REA site and all of them have thumbs) and as I pointed out before the item in his hand that is supposed to be a baseball is not round. Any other gold coins have these characteristics? The 2 unique poses you mention both are the right size and have full gold coin backs. So you are never going to post another real gold coin that shares all the characteristics of this card as a fake by definition it shares a few known characteristics.
If you choose to look past the obvious signs that this is neither a gold coin or a gold coin ad card. Then go right ahead but it is a fake. And I for one dont think it is good for the hobby to encourage fakes.
If a guy at a flea market sells 20 or 30 of these types of fakes each year it becomes worth his while. That one is here on Net54 and more than one person thinks it is real shows clearly why people have been doing this sort of thing for decades. If you can suspend reality and sell a story folks believe what they want to be the truth. But in this case you have to ignore a whole lot of clear facts...Again
Wrong size, wrong back, The drawing itself is inconsistent with all known examples.

RCMcKenzie · #7 07-20-2019, 05:09 PM

Here are 3 blank backs. The Orr is very thick, the other 2 are very thin. I'm not trying to win the argument. I have no vested interest in the card. When I see evidence that it's a fake I will happily admit I was mistaken. What size is he saying the card measures? I am not seeing that. Rob

RCMcKenzie · #8 07-20-2019, 05:22 PM

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