Today's Wash. Post has major piece re the BB card fraud

jhs5120 · #1 07-22-2019, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I’m driving and don’t have the info at hand re how far back. As for the retuned, altered cards they are being given to the FBI. Obviously my concern was the cards being put into A holders, cracked out and resubmitted. And PSA giving them grades of 11.

Drive safely. When you have a moment, I am curious as to how far back and to what extent victims are being notified.

On a side note, is PSA requesting possession of the cards in exchange for reimbursement? I'd imagine that would be a significant sticking point for them. Some of these cards still have significant value (for obvious reasons) as a PSA Authentic.

Also, have you had any dealings with SGC so far? How helpful have they been?

calvindog · #2 07-22-2019, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

Drive safely. When you have a moment, I am curious as to how far back and to what extent victims are being notified.

On a side note, is PSA requesting possession of the cards in exchange for reimbursement? I'd imagine that would be a significant sticking point for them. Some of these cards still have significant value (for obvious reasons) as a PSA Authentic.

Buyers are being notified by email and phone. The first round of buyers are those who bought clearly altered cards, i.e. trimming and recoloring. The more grey stuff (cleaning, pressed corners) is being mostly put on the back burner for now except in egregious cases. This is all a fluid situation subject to my discussions with the government. It�s not a perfect situation but it�s more perfect than anything that has ever occurred previously in fraud cases in the hobby.

jhs5120 · #3 07-22-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Buyers are being notified by email and phone. The first round of buyers are those who bought clearly altered cards, i.e. trimming and recoloring. The more grey stuff (cleaning, pressed corners) is being mostly put on the back burner for now except in egregious cases. This is all a fluid situation subject to my discussions with the government. It’s not a perfect situation but it’s more perfect than anything that has ever occurred previously in fraud cases in the hobby.

If I understand this correctly, only buyers of publicly outed cards are being notified?

calvindog · #4 07-22-2019, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

If I understand this correctly, only buyers of publicly outed cards are being notified?

No.

111gecko · #5 07-22-2019, 05:22 PM

Will give credit to Jeff for responding here...he certainly didn't need to, nor need to respond to any of the follow up questions so far.

Hopefully he will answer this one just for fun:

Are you representing Moser as well or do you intend to if asked?...or have the H's totally separated themselves from him?

jhs5120 · #6 07-22-2019, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

No.

Who is responsible for providing information on whether a card has been altered (or conserved)?

Back to my original scenario, if Dealer X consigned 5,000 since 2012 through PWCC and has now been "outed" as a potential card doctor. What is the process for notifying victims? How many are notified?

Maybe 100 of the 5,000 cards have been publicly outed. What is the process? Do you start with the publicly outed "clearly altered cards" then politely ask Dealer X if any others were "clearly altered?" Is it a threshold?

I'm not trying to criticize the process, again, I'm just curious.

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