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Old 07-23-2019, 02:10 PM
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Jay, I was totally joking. I will no longer bid or buy from PWCC, so the last thing I would do is send my cards to them! I guess my "joke" missed the mark. I just hope the pitchforks have better aim!
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Old 07-23-2019, 02:36 PM
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Old 07-23-2019, 02:52 PM
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Old 07-23-2019, 03:04 PM
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Old 07-23-2019, 03:43 PM
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Guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to keep discussions about me limited to my dealings with cards. I come to this board to discuss cards and nothing else in my life and it's an oasis for me in an otherwise stressful career for this reason.

If that's too much for some of you to handle, I'll no longer post about the hobby-related cases, etc. I'm involved in or respond to questions. I hope you can understand that I'm not going to make myself available to discuss these issues with you all while also having to deal with every idiot who posts about my other cases, etc.
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Old 07-23-2019, 03:56 PM
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Guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to keep discussions about me limited to my dealings with cards. I come to this board to discuss cards and nothing else in my life and it's an oasis for me in an otherwise stressful career for this reason.

If that's too much for some of you to handle, I'll no longer post about the hobby-related cases, etc. I'm involved in or respond to questions. I hope you can understand that I'm not going to make myself available to discuss these issues with you all while also having to deal with every idiot who posts about my other cases, etc.
Agreed. You should not have to do that. Total BS.
They are water under the bridge....just like this one is.

It's already passed and over with now that you're on the case.

Like I said, It's just hard to swallow, maybe it's the Novocain
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:04 PM
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Guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to keep discussions about me limited to my dealings with cards. I come to this board to discuss cards and nothing else in my life and it's an oasis for me in an otherwise stressful career for this reason.

If that's too much for some of you to handle, I'll no longer post about the hobby-related cases, etc. I'm involved in or respond to questions. I hope you can understand that I'm not going to make myself available to discuss these issues with you all while also having to deal with every idiot who posts about my other cases, etc.

I think everyone understands you can no longer comment on this case on this forum. It’s just not going to stop everyone else from putting in their two cents.

As far as PWCC, Those that can afford upper echelon council have always retained such. That’s always been the American way too.
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:43 PM
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Very interesting that a guy who thought all this was a ripoff, then decides to represent this guy who ripped off collectors. As a collector I would think you would have thought about what you are doing before taking the job of sticking collectors with their altered stinking cards. Disgrace.
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Guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to keep discussions about me limited to my dealings with cards. I come to this board to discuss cards and nothing else in my life and it's an oasis for me in an otherwise stressful career for this reason.

If that's too much for some of you to handle, I'll no longer post about the hobby-related cases, etc. I'm involved in or respond to questions. I hope you can understand that I'm not going to make myself available to discuss these issues with you all while also having to deal with every idiot who posts about my other cases, etc.
That's a fair request everyone should honor.

I'm not sure how this situation moves too far along without PWCC throwing PSA under the bus. Seems inevitable that your role is not only to defend PWCC, but establish the rules of how baseball cards are graded and authenticated. Can you divulge if PSA's attorney is cooperating with the FBI?

Let's be clear here, PWCC never encapsulated an altered card, PSA did. If PSA has deficiencies in detecting altered cards, that is not PWCC's fault, nor any other 1,000's of submitter's.

There are some very important precedence's that could be established from this case. Most of which, IMO, could be good for the industry. Your carrying a big torch here Jeff, and it appears you are prepared.
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:42 PM
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My only question would be, what took him so long?
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Guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to keep discussions about me limited to my dealings with cards. I come to this board to discuss cards and nothing else in my life and it's an oasis for me in an otherwise stressful career for this reason.

If that's too much for some of you to handle, I'll no longer post about the hobby-related cases, etc. I'm involved in or respond to questions. I hope you can understand that I'm not going to make myself available to discuss these issues with you all while also having to deal with every idiot who posts about my other cases, etc.
I am sure Mr Lichtman will do what is best for the hobby and his client who was obviously used by less than honest card doctors.
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:49 PM
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I am sure Mr Lichtman will do what is best for the hobby and his client who was obviously used by less than honest card doctors.
Is this post a joke or what. Are you that naive?
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:51 PM
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I am sure Mr Lichtman will do what is best for the hobby and his client who was obviously used by less than honest card doctors.
If Mr. Lichtman is required to choose a course of action that is in the best interest of his client but not in the best interest of the hobby, I am pretty confident I know which one he will choose.
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I am sure Mr Lichtman will do what is best for the hobby and his client who was obviously used by less than honest card doctors.
And it's all PSA's fault, not his, don't forget. If PSA passes an altered card, it's no problem to sell it even if you altered it yourself or know that your consignor did.
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I am sure Mr Lichtman will do what is best for the hobby and his client who was obviously used by less than honest card doctors.
He has one client. And no obligation to do anything for the hobby.
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obviously :d:d:d:d

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Guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to keep discussions about me limited to my dealings with cards. I come to this board to discuss cards and nothing else in my life and it's an oasis for me in an otherwise stressful career for this reason.

If that's too much for some of you to handle, I'll no longer post about the hobby-related cases, etc. I'm involved in or respond to questions. I hope you can understand that I'm not going to make myself available to discuss these issues with you all while also having to deal with every idiot who posts about my other cases, etc.
If I'm following all of this correctly (you openly criticizing Brent and his actions then taking him - as his money - as a client), then it sounds like you should have thought about this request before shitting on your own doorstep.

If I have it wrong, by all means someone please correct me.
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If I'm following all of this correctly (you openly criticizing Brent and his actions then taking him - as his money - as a client), then it sounds like you should have thought about this request before shitting on your own doorstep.

If I have it wrong, by all means someone please correct me.
This is my take. Brent who was obviously taken advantage of because of his kind and generous heart. Contacted Mr Lichtman and explained how he was taken advantage of. Mr Lichtman realized how he could help the hobby by exposing those evil people who took advantage of his naive client.

It is obvious that PSA is the one at fault here. Brent didn't encapsulate any of the 10-15 bad cards that got past PSA.

Now Brent feels so bad that he was taken advantage of he is trying to get those 10-15 people their money back.

Now in the best interest of the hobby we should never speak of this tiny insignificant error ever again.
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