Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Johnny630]

This one takes the cake as the absolute worst of the worst to me

Ray Charles could have seen this....

Mr. Orlando could you please explain what’s your Opinion On this One??

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=14874068

[irv]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

This one takes the cake as the absolute worst of the worst to me

Ray Charles could have seen this....

Mr. Orlando could you please explain your Opinion On this One??

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=14874068

Wow!!

What a complete and utter joke PSA is!!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

This one takes the cake as the absolute worst of the worst to me

Ray Charles could have seen this....

Mr. Orlando could you please explain what’s your Opinion On this One??

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=14874068

You need to scroll up to see it...

Superdan coined it The Impressionist "Claude Monet Ruth"

In snobbish art critic voice...
I personally think it's more of an Abstract piece, with an influence that lies somewhere between Rothko and Pollock. Amazingly, the blades of grass appear both vertical and horizontal, with mixed shades of green that imply a subtle Moser influence as well. Reminiscent of a very early Moser masterpiece, circa kindergarten or perhaps first grade.

Bravo, PSA!

[Peter_Spaeth]

57 Mantle 6 to 8
Refund pile.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=4608

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

57 Mantle 6 to 8

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=4608

Awful
Mr. Orlando your Opinion Givers are lousy

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Awful
Mr. Orlando your Opinion Givers are lousy

Never


Get


wait for it




Cheated

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Never


Get


wait for it




Cheated

His company is FAKE NEWS OPINION GIVERS

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

His company is FAKE NEWS OPINION GIVERS

It's staggering what the average, good faith collector or even investor is up against in terms of the institutions that dominate this hobby. Good Lord. And just look at the contemptuous response from Orlando, putting down the people trying to call it all out as a handful spreading fear or whatever obnoxious words he used.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

57 Mantle 6 to 8
Refund pile.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=4608

add to the $5000 or more list..


I wonder if Auction Houses that sell cards now and to the future will refund if a buyer finds out about their card was altered based on information the Auction House could of researched prior to auction..

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

add to the $5000 or more list..


I wonder if Auction Houses that sell cards now and to the future will refund if a buyer finds out about their card was altered based on information the Auction House could of researched prior to auction..

Tough to say, but I doubt it. They would never have the time to do the diligent and deep research necessary to uncover all of these in advance. Isn't that what PSA's supposed "guarantee" is for, anyway? They are the ones supposedly spending the time examining these, and determining the appropriate grade. They should be the ones held accountable.

The only reason PWCC is giving refunds is that they are directly responsible for the current and past deception, and are acting upon the advice of their attorney. Otherwise, I doubt there would be any restitution for those who've been defrauded.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Tough to say, but I doubt it. They would never have the time to do the diligent and deep research necessary to uncover all of these in advance. Isn't that what PSA's supposed "guarantee" is for, anyway? They are the ones supposedly spending the time examining these, and determining the appropriate grade. They should be the ones held accountable.

The only reason PWCC is giving refunds is that they are directly responsible for the current and past deception, and are acting upon the advice of their attorney. Otherwise, I doubt there would be any restitution for those who've been defrauded.

Would Love to Find Out Who Submitted these Cards for the Doctor/Doctors..... who's invoices are these on....there are way more guys other than the one we have all be talking about...first things first...who is submitting the cards exposed as altered for whitman111???

We all seem to be targeting on PWCC and yes they're crummy.... doctors and PSA are also crummy.....Who is gonna roll who is gonna be the fall guy??

Will be interesting to see this unfold......Vintage Non Sport is the Only Thing Keeping me Going

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Tough to say, but I doubt it. They would never have the time to do the diligent and deep research necessary to uncover all of these in advance. Isn't that what PSA's supposed "guarantee" is for, anyway? They are the ones supposedly spending the time examining these, and determining the appropriate grade. They should be the ones held accountable.

The only reason PWCC is giving refunds is that they are directly responsible for the current and past deception, and are acting upon the advice of their attorney. Otherwise, I doubt there would be any restitution for those who've been defrauded.

PSA is an option for refund. However the auction houses can refund the buyer and they go after PSA for their refund.

You would think the 4 months or whatever an auction house prepares for an auction they could do a little digging on a 50k card to see if it was altered and PSA made a mistake before using that card as marketing to bring more eyeballs to their auction for example

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

PSA is an option for refund. However the auction houses can refund the buyer and they go after PSA for their refund.

You would think the 4 months or whatever an auction house prepares for an auction they could do a little digging on a 50k card to see if it was altered and PSA made a mistake before using that card as marketing to bring more eyeballs to their auction for example

Yeah, it would be a nice gesture... and maybe some day we'll get to that point. But when you consider the sheer number of cards that appear in any of the major Catalogue Auctions, they'd never have the time/resources to deeply research them all.

If you mean for them to simply spot-check the published lists of suspected altered cards.... then yes, that would probably be doable. But if you mean for them to conduct the actual research (like the guys on BO are doing), then it will likely never happen. I suppose they could hire a staff person in charge of research, but the added cost of implementing the process would probably just result in higher Buyer and Seller Premiums.

And isn't this what the TPAs are supposed to be doing, anyway? I know the current ones are failing badly, and if anyone is liable for recourse, it should be them.