PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[CuriousGeorge]

Bob and Matt, with all due respect, I think I'm in a position to know better. No one on this board thinks Brent is more of a piece of garbage than I do. No one wants to see him pay for his crimes more than me. I was inches away from giving this idiot a bunch of money as an investment and fortunately was advised not to at the last moment. I set up a vault and was about to send cards to him and thankfully was convinced not to. I'm pissed off, you all are too, and we all have every right to be. The optics of him representing this trash looks bad, but yet the FBI is happy about it. What does that tell you?

[slidekellyslide]

Steven, you're in a position to know Jeff's motives better because you almost set up a vault with PWCC? That doesn't even make sense.

[CuriousGeorge]

[QUOTE=slidekellyslide;1902143]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Bob and Matt, with all due respect, I think I'm in a position to know better./QUOTE]

You're in a position to know Jeff's motives better because you almost set up a vault with PWCC? That doesn't even make sense.

Why don't you look at the name on my account?

[slidekellyslide]

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge;1902144]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Why don't you look at the name on my account?

I noticed that a long time ago, but I guess never asked. Is he your brother? I don't ask every member named Smith, Jones and Peterson if they are related.

[CuriousGeorge]

Yes he is my younger brother which only makes me even more infuriated that he would represent such a lying, slimy piece of garbage, who intentionally tried to f*ck me and did so to many of you. But all I can say now is grab of box of popcorn and watch this play out. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war.

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Yes he is my younger brother which only makes me even more infuriated that he would represent such a lying, slimy piece of garbage, who intentionally tried to f*ck me and did so to many of you. But all I can say now is grab of box of popcorn and watch this play out. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war.

Steven - Jeff is a defense attorney....wouldn’t it be accurate to say more often then not he and every other defense attorney deals mostly with slime balls and not that small field of “wrongly accused innocent victims”? A potential client called Jeff and offered him a job and Jeff took it. Not really any different then the rest of us that profit off someone through work that we think is a jerk.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by asphaltman

Steven - Jeff is a defense attorney....wouldn’t it be accurate to say more often then not he and every other defense attorney deals mostly with slime balls and not that small field of “wrongly accused innocent victims”? A potential client called Jeff and offered him a job and Jeff took it. Not really any different then the rest of us that profit off someone through work that we think is a jerk.

Yep, when customers are slime, taking their money is the best possible comeback. Except maybe sending them to the shop up the street so they can be the competitions problem.

[griffon512]

How do you see it playing out Steven? What would constitute a win for the hobby in your eyes in concrete terms? We can compare what it looks like a year from now versus what your expectation is. My primary concern is nothing will materially change in the hobby. That is my expectation.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Bob and Matt, with all due respect, I think I'm in a position to know better. No one on this board thinks Brent is more of a piece of garbage than I do. No one wants to see him pay for his crimes more than me. I was inches away from giving this idiot a bunch of money as an investment and fortunately was advised not to at the last moment. I set up a vault and was about to send cards to him and thankfully was convinced not to. I'm pissed off, you all are too, and we all have every right to be. The optics of him representing this trash looks bad, but yet the FBI is happy about it. What does that tell you?

That tells me that the FBI would like to knock this one out and move on. Jeff gets paid, PWCC makes relatively minor restitution, and the FBI gets to release a favourable press release. Win win win. This won’t ever hit the courts and there will not be a full accounting. The message in the hobby will be fraud pays. The hobby will be the big loser here.

How do you see this ending?

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by japhi

That tells me that the FBI would like to knock this one out and move on. Jeff gets paid, PWCC makes relatively minor restitution, and the FBI gets to release a favourable press release. Win win win. This won’t ever hit the courts and there will not be a full accounting. The message in the hobby will be fraud pays. The hobby will be the big loser here.

How do you see this ending?

Matt, you may be right but I hope you're wrong. He can't dictate how the FBI chooses to handle this but he can lay out the picture in a way few others can. My brother has very few things in life that mean a lot to him and this hobby is one of them. He has more business than hours in a year. He has no need for this case financially.

[JollyElm]

When is the Moser family reunion happening? Maybe he'll send his siblings on here to blow smoke up our asses, too.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

He has no need for this case financially.

With a wife and a girlfriend, I think you're wrong.

Just because someone makes a lot of money, doesn't mean they have a lot of money. I know people that make $200K a year and are drowning in debt. Then again, you hear about these reclusive people with low paying jobs that pass away and come to find out afterwards they're millionaires because they never spent a dime. It's not how much you make, it's how much you bank.

The fact that you equate his wealth with his income shows what little you know, brother or not.

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

With a wife and a girlfriend, I think you're wrong.

Just because someone makes a lot of money, doesn't mean they have a lot of money. I know people that make $200K a year and are drowning in debt. Then again, you hear about these reclusive people with low paying jobs that pass away and come to find out afterwards they're millionaires because they never spent a dime. It's not how much you make, it's how much you bank.

The fact that you equate his wealth with his income shows what little you know, brother or not.

You’re solely making this personal against Jeff. If it came out Robert Shapiro was Brent’s counsel you wouldn’t say a word.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by asphaltman

You’re solely making this personal against Jeff. If it came out Robert Shapiro was Brent’s counsel you wouldn’t say a word.

I might.

Shapiro defended OJ (one of very few people even more despicable than Brent! )

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

With a wife and a girlfriend, I think you're wrong.

Just because someone makes a lot of money, doesn't mean they have a lot of money. I know people that make $200K a year and are drowning in debt. Then again, you hear about these reclusive people with low paying jobs that pass away and come to find out afterwards they're millionaires because they never spent a dime. It's not how much you make, it's how much you bank.

The fact that you equate his wealth with his income shows what little you know, brother or not.

All I can say to this is I’m sure 99% of you wish you were in the financial position he is. I’m not bragging because I’m sure he could care less what any of you think but again, he did not take this case for the fee. As hard as this may be to do, try and think through how this problem would have played out without his involvement. Like all of the others maybe? People are getting paid back for altered cards, stories are getting written in national papers, and so on. Do you think with any of your involvement this could have happened? Is it better nothing gets done or all of us just complaining on message boards?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

All I can say to this is I’m sure 99% of you wish you were in the financial position he is. I’m not bragging because I’m sure he could care less what any of you think but again, he did not take this case for the fee. As hard as this may be to do, try and think through how this problem would have played out without his involvement. Like all of the others maybe? People are getting paid back for altered cards, stories are getting written in national papers, and so on. Do you think with any of your involvement this could have happened? Is it better nothing gets done or all of us just complaining on message boards?

You're right. I probably do wish I was in the financial position he is in. On the other hand, I thank God I've got way more moral character than he has. Which is better? At the end if my life, when I'm laying on my deathbed, is it better to look back on my life and say, "I wish I would have made more money" or say "I wish I would have had more integrity"? He can take his money and shove it up his ass because money without integrity still equals broke in my book. He may have millions in the bank, but he's morally bankrupt.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You're right. I probably do wish I was in the financial position he is in. On the other hand, I thank God I've got way more moral character than he has. Which is better? At the end if my life, when I'm laying on my deathbed, is it better to look back on my life and say, "I wish I would have made more money" or say "I wish I would have had more integrity"? He can take his money and shove it up his ass because money without integrity still equals broke in my book. He may have millions in the bank, but he's morally bankrupt.

David, unlike him you have no choice. When you’re broke with no possibility of that changing it’s very easy to choose integrity over money.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

All I can say to this is I’m sure 99% of you wish you were in the financial position he is. I’m not bragging because I’m sure he could care less what any of you think but again, he did not take this case for the fee. As hard as this may be to do, try and think through how this problem would have played out without his involvement. Like all of the others maybe? People are getting paid back for altered cards, stories are getting written in national papers, and so on. Do you think with any of your involvement this could have happened? Is it better nothing gets done or all of us just complaining on message boards?

I appreciated what you're saying. I think it just stings some of us because he is so passionate about cards and knows EXACTLY what Brent Mastro was up to. To have him on THAT side of this fiasco is a tough BITTER pill to swallow for me. It's total BS.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I appreciated what you're saying. I think it just stings some of us because he is so passionate about cards and knows EXACTLY what Brent Mastro was up to. To have him on THAT side of this fiasco is a tough BITTER pill to swallow for me. It's total BS.

Chuck, I totally understand that it feels very tough to accept but is the goal to punish Brent to the fullest extent the government wants to (and who knows what that is if anything?) or is it to try and solve the bigger problem and in addition try to get those affected their money back?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I appreciated what you're saying. I think it just stings some of us because he is so passionate about cards and knows EXACTLY what Brent Mastro was up to. To have him on THAT side of this fiasco is a tough BITTER pill to swallow for me. It's total BS.

I think I will the go with the suggestion that we wait and see. I am also not happy that Jeff agreed to represent PWCC, and I very much hope that Brent goes down in flames. But, as has been said before, wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one is filled first.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Matt, you may be right but I hope you're wrong. He can't dictate how the FBI chooses to handle this but he can lay out the picture in a way few others can. My brother has very few things in life that mean a lot to him and this hobby is one of them. He has more business than hours in a year. He has no need for this case financially.

Fair enough, I can appreciate where you are coming from and respect your position

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Bob and Matt, with all due respect, I think I'm in a position to know better. No one on this board thinks Brent is more of a piece of garbage than I do. No one wants to see him pay for his crimes more than me. I was inches away from giving this idiot a bunch of money as an investment and fortunately was advised not to at the last moment. I set up a vault and was about to send cards to him and thankfully was convinced not to. I'm pissed off, you all are too, and we all have every right to be. The optics of him representing this trash looks bad, but yet the FBI is happy about it. What does that tell you?

You can't hate him more than I do.