PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I read it when it came out. It was a vicious personal attack that was not newsworthy and had no place even in a scummy tabloid. Considering the source, I doubt much of it was even accurate. And until today, even people who hate Jeff have been classy enough not to post it. It's a baseball card chatboard, not a sewer.

A scummy tabloid? Ok, would you like to read it from another source?

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barst...-bernie-madoff

What exactly are you saying, Peter? That these text exchanges never took place? Read the linked article. It gives even more detail about the texts.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

A scummy tabloid? Ok, would you like to read it from another source?

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barst...-bernie-madoff

What exactly are you saying, Peter? That these text exchanges never took place? Read the linked article. It gives even more detail about the texts.

I could not care less about Jeff's personal life. It's just that -- his personal life. Nobody should be publishing someone's private text messages about personal matters.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I could not care less about Jeff's personal life. It's just that -- his personal life. Nobody should be publishing someone's private text messages about personal matters.

Come on. You're smarter than that. If I have a lawyer representing me and instead of focusing on my case he's sexting his girlfriend, I'd be pretty pissed about it. I'm no lawyer, Peter, but isn't that grounds for a retrial if he's doing that in a courtroom? You say no ethics violations occurred, but I strongly disagree.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Come on. You're smarter than that. If I have a lawyer representing me and instead of focusing on my case he's sexting his girlfriend, I'd be pretty pissed about it. I'm no lawyer, Peter, but isn't that grounds for a retrial if he's doing that in a courtroom? You say no ethics violations occurred, but I strongly disagree.

Now you're an expert on legal ethics. That is truly hysterical.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Now you're an expert on legal ethics. That is truly hysterical.

Do you not see the "?"

In the English language, that represents a question.

I don't profess to be an expert on legal ethics. That's why I asked YOU the question. I'll ask it again. If I have a lawyer representing me, but instead he's sexting his girlfriend in court during the trial, would I have grounds for a retrial?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Do you not see the "?"

In the English language, that represents a question.

I don't profess to be an expert on legal ethics. That's why I asked YOU the question. I'll ask it again. If I have a lawyer representing me, but instead he's sexting his girlfriend in court during the trial, would I have grounds for a retrial?

Who said he texted anyone during a trial?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who said he texted anyone during a trial?

man look what i missed.......why does everyone care about personal stuff.....i just go by what is said on the board....personal stuff is personal man....


hmm maybe ill pull a jeff and criticize Microsoft on many things and then they hire me....

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Do you not see the "?"

In the English language, that represents a question.

I don't profess to be an expert on legal ethics. That's why I asked YOU the question. I'll ask it again. If I have a lawyer representing me, but instead he's sexting his girlfriend in court during the trial, would I have grounds for a retrial?

I’m sure he sexting girls while in court cross-examining witnesses. And let’s add in that he’s also having sex with them during lunch breaks. And I’ve also seen him text while driving a couple times too so let’s throw that in there too.

Unfortunately this conversation has deteriorated and I’m left with thinking you are nothing but a petty, jealous, moron. Oh but I forgot, a petty, jealous moron with lots of integrity.

[Snapolit1]

Lawyer bashing on he board is de riguer. Pretty soon someone will be ignorantly misquoting Shakespeare. Count on it.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Unfortunately this conversation has deteriorated and I’m left with thinking you are nothing but a petty, jealous, moron.

Look in the mirror, douchebag.

[pokerplyr80]

He says he took the case in part so he can be on the inside and work to make sure as many collectors as possible can be made whole. Whether or not any of us believe him is irrelevant. His actions will prove his words true or untrue in the coming months. What is the harm in giving him a chance to do what he said he will do?

The personal attacks against another member should have no place on this board. Especially regarding his personal life. There are countless examples in many threads not just related to Jeff or even PWCC. This site has been going down hill for a while in terms of negative and inappropriate comments. Many members have even left, or avoid commenting for the most part, which is unfortunate. And I think we may have hit a new low with this thread.

[CuriousGeorge]

I appreciate you guys wanting to stop the name calling and the rest but I assure you I’m a big boy as is my brother and we can handle it. At the end of the day I think we all want the same thing and unfortunately frustration sometimes gets in the way and things deteriorate as they have here. Hopefully we all can put our hopes and trust in Jeff, since we really don’t have much of a choice anyway, and see where that takes us. I know which way I’m betting but if I were him and had to put up with this abuse, it would give me a lot less incentive to help. My two cents for whatever that’s worth.

And Ryan I will see you next at the Famous and Barr Ruth! You cost me plenty on that Wagner!

[Leon]

The forum has been going downhill for the last 18 yrs. Hopefully there will be 18 more.

One other small thing, my goal is always to try my best to not interfere with threads. That is why they stay up and don't get locked, generally speaking, and almost never go poof. And if there is negativity then that is what it is. I don't tell people what to say or not to say. If someone has their name next to it I think they should be able to fire away, per the less than strict rules pertaining to our subject matter.

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

He says he took the case in part so he can be on the inside and work to make sure as many collectors as possible can be made whole. Whether or not any of us believe him is irrelevant. His actions will prove his words true or untrue in the coming months. What is the harm in giving him a chance to do what he said he will do?

The personal attacks against another member should have no place on this board. Especially regarding his personal life. There are countless examples in many threads not just related to Jeff or even PWCC. This site has been going down hill for a while in terms of negative and inappropriate comments. Many members have even left, or avoid commenting for the most part, which is unfortunate. And I think we may have hit a new low with this thread.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Come on. You're smarter than that. If I have a lawyer representing me and instead of focusing on my case he's sexting his girlfriend, I'd be pretty pissed about it. I'm no lawyer, Peter, but isn't that grounds for a retrial if he's doing that in a courtroom? You say no ethics violations occurred, but I strongly disagree.

The retrial is the part that I find genius. I am no lawyer so I could be seeing this wrong. Now if Brent doesn't get the result he wants cant he use Jeffreys posts on here to claim his lawyer didn't represent him to the best of his ability?

Also IF Jeffrey is doing this for the good of the hobby and not the cash. Couldn't he have donated his services to the FBI to put Brent away?

To me his recent posts said, hire me or I will bury you with all the evidence I have against you.

I could be wrong but this is my take on the situation.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The retrial is the part that I find genius. I am no lawyer so I could be seeing this wrong. Now if Brent doesn't get the result he wants cant he use Jeffreys posts on here to claim his lawyer didn't represent him to the best of his ability?

Also IF Jeffrey is doing this for the good of the hobby and not the cash. Couldn't he have donated his services to the FBI to put Brent away?

To me his recent posts said, hire me or I will bury you with all the evidence I have against you.

I could be wrong but this is my take on the situation.

This is exactly what I referred to back on the first page of the threads....Can these former posts and threads come back to haunt him? Having said that, I absolutely have issue with Jeff's decision to represent Huigens, it paints a very ugly picture on what has been a very long, angered, and disapproved situation of PWCC and Brent Huigens, a lot of which were initiated by Lichtman... I stated previously that it was hypocritical and lacked integrity.. I do believe, however, that Jeff's personal and business life (outside of the baseball card world) should not be presented in this type of forum.....

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

This is exactly what I referred to back on the first page of the threads....Can these former posts and threads come back to haunt him? Having said that, I absolutely have issue with Jeff's decision to represent Huigens, it paints a very ugly picture on what has been a very long, angered, and disapproved situation of PWCC and Brent Huigens, a lot of which were initiated by Lichtman... I stated previously that it was hypocritical and lacked integrity.. I do believe, however, that Jeff's personal and business life (outside of the baseball card world) should not be presented in this type of forum.....

I get the disappointment Kevin and I assure you I was as well. However as this all plays out I am beginning to see it differently so let’s see what transpires in the near future and then perhaps we will all understand things a little differently than we do today. Doesn’t make one side right or wrong but a baseball game doesn’t end until 27 outs are made. And don’t start with rainouts!

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Come on. You're smarter than that. If I have a lawyer representing me and instead of focusing on my case he's sexting his girlfriend, I'd be pretty pissed about it. I'm no lawyer, Peter, but isn't that grounds for a retrial if he's doing that in a courtroom? You say no ethics violations occurred, but I strongly disagree.

Go to law school David and get back to us.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody should be publishing someone's private text messages about personal matters.

Not even high character individuals with superior morals???

[taul166]

If any of you are members of Baseball's HOF and receive their periodic publications, you will see that Brent is in a group photo from inside the museum that shows the group cutting the ribbon that opens the new exhibit on baseball cards in Cooperstown.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by taul166

If any of you are members of Baseball's HOF and receive their periodic publications, you will see that Brent is in a group photo from inside the museum that shows the group cutting the ribbon that opens the new exhibit on baseball cards in Cooperstown.

How many of the cards are altered?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many of the cards are altered?

If history has shown us anything it would be ALL the ones with the cool little PWCC stickers on them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by taul166

If any of you are members of Baseball's HOF and receive their periodic publications, you will see that Brent is in a group photo from inside the museum that shows the group cutting the ribbon that opens the new exhibit on baseball cards in Cooperstown.

Desecrating a sacred site.

[BeanTown]

What was the ribbon cutting party for? Were they opening up the Steroid (cheating) section at the Hall?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by taul166

If any of you are members of Baseball's HOF and receive their periodic publications, you will see that Brent is in a group photo from inside the museum that shows the group cutting the ribbon that opens the new exhibit on baseball cards in Cooperstown.

I wonder... are they the same scissors that... Nah, couldn't be!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

A scummy tabloid? Ok, would you like to read it from another source?

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barst...-bernie-madoff

What exactly are you saying, Peter? That these text exchanges never took place? Read the linked article. It gives even more detail about the texts.

All that left me with are questions.

Like why is someone who swiped millions from her business staying in a $99 hotel room and ordering cheap pizza?

And just where the _ can you find a $99 hotel room?

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by steve B

All that left me with are questions.

Like why is someone who swiped millions from her business staying in a $99 hotel room and ordering cheap pizza?

And just where the _ can you find a $99 hotel room?

Queens or the Bronx?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

Queens or the Bronx?

You're kidding?

20 years ago the company I worked for hosted a hydraulics convention. No decent hotel was available anywhere in the Boston area then for under about 125/night.
We needed a bit of room, so the motel 6 or the more local "Caswell motel" were out.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by steve B

You're kidding?

20 years ago the company I worked for hosted a hydraulics convention. No decent hotel was available anywhere in the Boston area then for under about 125/night.
We needed a bit of room, so the motel 6 or the more local "Caswell motel" were out.

Not places where you would want to stay ever...

[Johnny630]

I the back of my mind I wouldn’t be surprised if PSA wasn’t off the record taking care of PWCC with all the refunds on bad cards.....maybe not a monetary payback might be something else...at this point I will never trust either company