Darren's Rovell take on PWCC, etc.

buymycards · #1 07-30-2019, 03:04 PM

[QUOTE=swarmee;1903401]I spent half the day looking through my house for all my slabs to figure out which ones I'm sending to COMC for sale on Monday.

I see that COMC blogged that one of their members submitted 6000 slabbed cards. I'm thinking that COMC will be the next big dumping ground for altered cards. It may be happening already.

swarmee · #2 07-30-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by buymycards

I see that COMC blogged that one of their members submitted 6000 slabbed cards. I'm thinking that COMC will be the next big dumping ground for altered cards. It may be happening already.

COMC is well aware of the scandal, and should be careful who they take consignments from as well. They were notified of one seller from the Dallas group that had a lot of cards for sale there (SuperiorSportsInvestments), and that seller currently has 45 graded cards for sale out of over 13,000 total.

But you're right, people should be aware of the cards they're looking at from every source, be it eBay, COMC, shows, auction houses, PWCC, etc.

bobbyw8469 · #3 07-30-2019, 03:24 PM

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

barrysloate · #4 07-30-2019, 03:43 PM

If the hobby decides to accept the alterations because collectors will want to protect their investments, then I can assure you that after the card doctors are done popping the champagne, they will continue to doctor and improve cards with a vengeance. Because they will surely realize that they won this battle.

So imagine a hobby a few years down the road where thousands and thousands of new high grade cards have materialized out of thin air, and a hobby where there are so many high grade cards that even collectors with limited budgets can have a solid standing on the set registry.

The choice that PSA made to minimize this issue, and to put blame on a bunch of disgruntled hobbyists for complaining about this on a chat board, will open the door for a whole new generation of card doctors.

It's going to get really ugly if this scandal is not faced head on. Given enough time nearly every card will either be doctored, or there will at least be the fear that any high grade card cannot be trusted. You can't just sweep this under the rug. That's a short term bandage and a long term disaster.

MULLINS5 · #5 07-30-2019, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

If the hobby decides to accept the alterations

I think that's where we're heading.

drcy · #6 07-30-2019, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I think that's where we're heading.

The last laugh would be on the high rollers currently trying to protect PSA, as their "high grade" collections will become less rare and less valuable.

bnorth · #7 07-30-2019, 03:35 PM

[QUOTE=buymycards;1904148]

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Originally Posted by swarmee

I spent half the day looking through my house for all my slabs to figure out which ones I'm sending to COMC for sale on Monday.

I see that COMC blogged that one of their members submitted 6000 slabbed cards. I'm thinking that COMC will be the next big dumping ground for altered cards. It may be happening already.

I have only seen a few altered card on COMC that they did not catch when listing. I have bought easily 1000 cards off COMC in the past. In the last several months I have only bought 2 because of the insane listed prices. Those 2 cards were bought from swarmee who is one of the very few to price cards at their value.

As examples i recently was looking to upgrade a few 55 Bowmans and 59 Fleer Ted Williams cards. I bought the Bowmams off eBay for 25% of the lowest prices on COMC. The 59 Fleer prices are insane, you can buy graded NrMint and better cards on eBay for less than the ungraded beaters are priced on COMC.

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