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1962 Jell-O Pudding Cards - Help
Looking for some help if I could from 1962 Jell-O set collectors.
In 1962, Jell-O issued cards on the back of its Gelatin flavors and additionally on 5 Pudding flavors. (In 1963 the company only issued cards on Gelatin flavors). There is no known listing of the various Jell-O boxes each of the players appeared on like there is with the 63s (and really all Post Cereal issues). As such, much less is know about this set. Several collectors are working on tracking a player to flavor listing individually based on seeing complete boxes on internet sites such as eBay. And while certainly positive, success has been limited. Hence today's request. Cards from Pudding flavors are are a bit unique and can be identified separately for Gelatin flavor cards. They all (regardless of flavor) have a more glossy finish that is a bit dark. They also all have a gold color that is the background color to the statistics area of the card at the bottom (as opposed to a generally, but not always for some Gelatin flavors, a lighter yellow color). Pudding cards do not have a black-line border on the left side of the card, just the other three sides. So that is the start of this request in asking what cards in your collection that you believe could have come from a pudding box. The second part of this request is if you can tell the pudding flavor of your card. And this is kind of a matter of luck and how the card was cut. All flavors of pudding had a bit of a different packaging design than their Gelatin counterparts in that rather than white coloring on the box outside the black border line (Gelatin cards), there was coloring in some places outside the edge of the Pudding cards. And if the card was cut outside the border in those specific places, you can tell it is a pudding card for sure AND THE FLAVOR OF THE PUDDING THE CARD CAME FROM. Pudding cards were produced with a color outside the card on the entire left side and the top roughly top 60% of the card on the right side (outside top and bottom along with the bottom 40% of the right side of a coming from a Pudding flavor will be white. If you can see a color on a card in these places (and you may need a magnifying glass) then it came from a pudding flavor without question. Blue coloring ties to Vanilla Pudding. Pink coloring ties to Coconut Cream Pudding. Yellow Coloring means Lemon Pudding. Light brown is Butterscotch. And a darker burnt reddish is Chocolate flavor. I would estimate that in the neighborhood of 50% of pudding cards are cut in a manner that one can see some small portion of the color today. Now there are some players that can fake you out a bit as they have the darker gold statistical background. Some of Elston Howard and Maury Wills cards come to mind. But I would not worry about that. The best way to tell if it is available is if the card has a left black border present in any part of the card ... which indicates it is not a Pudding card. Hopefully this is clear enough. I am asking that collectors who have cards in this set, if you would be so nice as to examine those cards to see if any might be from Pudding flavors and if you can tell, what that flavor is. Not asking folks to go outside their own material. For example, I regularly and for a long time, have searched the internet for pictures of boxes that showed a flavor a player appeared on in the set. So no effort in this area necessary, just your own stuff. Recognize that there is a very limited number of collectors of this set, so information is likely minimal. But figured can't hurt to ask. Thanks guys. |
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My dad has what remains of his "album" that (I believe) was distributed alongside the Post and Jell-O cards that you could past your cards into. It is pretty full. If I have time, I could take a look there. They are in "as-cut by a 10 year old" condition, so you might get lucky. If I can borrow them from him I will scan the pages and post for you.
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1962 Jell-O
That would be great Kevin. Much appreciated. Am always trying to research this issue and it is pretty tough. I do have a lot of these cards which allows me to look for things such as variations in the picture of a players cards which indicates he came on more than one Jell-O flavor. As such, always looking for more cards to do this analysis. So also if you did want to sell any cards, I would be interested even if the condition is sketchy. While condition matters, I will say I have no problem with off-condition cards since this is as much for research as it is for collecting. You have a good day.
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1962 Jell-O
One more thing Kevin. If you do find anything of interest, you are welcome to contact me directly as opposed to going thru the Net54 site. (I find that a bit cumbersome).
My contact information is: Ken Marks 916 508-7872 bwnrot@aol.com |
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1962 Jello vs Pudding boxes
Ken is unable to post photos here on Net 54 so he asked for my help. Hopefully this will help anyone to ID which boxes/cards they have
He wrote: Pudding box on the left and gelatin box on the right. Pretty easy to see the coloring difference between the two. Because the Aparicio is a lemon box of pudding, that color is yellow. I don’t know if it comes out in the picture but you can also see the distinct difference in the yellow/gold background in the stat area |
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Those images are great for illustration purposes. I presume you've already scoured all the cards listed on COMC currently for sale? If you add SOLD OUT listings, you may see even more.
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Here are a couple from the PSA sold listings site:
#5 Mickey Mantle (yellow bar on left) #5 Mickey Mantle (red bar on right) #5 Mickey Mantle (brown bar on left) #142 Willie Mays (brown bar on left) Colors are based on how my eye sees them. You might disagree. Looking through Ken's PSA graded set, I also see: #34 Milt Pappas (brown bar on right) #71 Gene Woodling (blue bar on left and right)https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...timeset/287446
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Billy Cosby is in Jail-O . Love all the post cards from the 60s. Anyone have any full cereal boxes ? Love to see them .
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Thanks John
John--looking at those cards and the colors they appear to me indicate the first Mantle (tan) came from Butterscotch Pudding. The next two Mantles came from Chocolate Pudding with the burnt red coloring on the side. And the Mays appears to be the same color as the first Mantle making that card of him a Butterscotch card.
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62 jello
malzone lemon pie filling
wynn lime jello |
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Current/Completed eBay listings:
#5 Mickey Mantle: #9 Whitey Ford #11 John Blanchard #47 Nellie Fox #122 Frank Robinson #142 Willie Mays #188 Ernie Banks
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Collectors.com:
#58 Frank Malzone #92 Norm Siebern Heritage archive: #149 Hank Aaron Sterling: #114 Duke Snider Dave's Vintage Cards: #85 Harmon Killebrew There is a mention of a #6 Roger Maris Pudding Full box, but I didn't see the picture. Worthpoint: #27 Jim Gentile #83 Bob Allison Image isn't showing up.
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Found this Siebern the other day.92137F94-8F1B-4D0E-9666-BEF52FCFFA42.jpg
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1962 Jell-O Siebern
Nice Mike. Maybe a week ago, Wayne had shot me a picture too of a Siebern card where you could tell it was a chocolate pudding flavor by the color that was barely visible, but allowed one to determine the flavor. Then I see this one which I think is just great as your card has the entire side panel with the flavor showing. Wonderful card!! Thanks for sharing as until recently I was aware that Siebern made an appearance on a pudding box, but not which flavor.
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Siebern is up in my post above as well, same flavor. The worthpoint picture has been buggy (not showing up this morning, back this evening), so I'll say that it looks like both Gentile and Allison have Chocolate boxes as well based on the color sliver visible in the picture.
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Ken, I will have to take a look thru my set now that I am back home and settled in. I know the Mantle that I picked up at the National was a Lemon pudding but that is one you are already well aware of. The Maury Wills and Whitey Ford were both gelatin as they have the black border on the left edge. Anyhow, I'll look thru in the next day or so.
Tim |
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#140 Juan Marichal scan
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1962 Jell-O Marishal
Mark--very much appreciate you posting your Marichal card. Sometimes there are clues that help figure flavors out such as one sees on your card. Here is my analysis. It would be better if I had the card in my hand and could compare the letters showing to the position on the box. So am eyeballing. First I have only seen evidence that Marichal was on one flavor of Gelatin by comparing a number of his cards and they all seem the same without color differences. It is known that Marichal was issued on a 3 oz Lime box and that is what I think you have. The letters on the right side of your card that you can see are part of the word FLAVOR. The top of the card showed the fruit flavor of the gelatin, so the area we are talking about would say something like ORANGE FLAVOR running down the side of the box. Only 3 oz boxes have the letters there. 6 oz boxes had the flavor identification elsewhere on the box. Based on where that word FLAVOR ends in relation to the bottom of your card, it appears that it is the same as a box I have of Lime flavor (on longer lettered flavors such as blackberry, the word FLAVOR goes much further down.) I could be more sure if I had that card in my possession to make sure the word FLAVOR lines up with my box. Because LIME flavor is the only 4 letter flavor (I can think of), a match in the position of the word FLAVOR would pretty much seal the deal you have a Lime gelatin Marichal card. Too much info???
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"Too much info???", Ken Marks asks. Ken, if I was pingman59, I would be DEEPLY HONORED by the meticulous thought and research I'd just been handed. A very nice Juan Marichal, if I may say.
Oh, to be back at the old Jewel supermarket on Touhy Avenue in Skokie, Illinois 57 years ago today! That is, with forty bucks to buy the store out of its stock of JELL-O!!! My mother and dad would have had a fit, but had they any inkling of the future value of a 9-cent, or so, single box of JELL-O.......... We all have our dreams; my other one is to have been at the back entrance to the Milprint Printers in Wisconsin about this time in 1953. Asking to speak with the foreman, I'd wave a crisp $20 dollar bill his way if I could have a nice stack of the baseball cards they were printing for this frankfurter company in Metropolitan New York City that was having a baseball card promotion to induce sales of their high quality, expensive "frankfurts" in their packages, and at the ballpark! Back to JELL-O, so how long have you owned your Marichal, sir? Any good story attached to it? A few of us would be "all ears". Have a swell day, guys. --- Brian Powell Last edited by brian1961; 08-07-2019 at 10:34 AM. |
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A Couple More
Here is a scan of my Pinson and Wilhelm. We have Pinson listed as being on Blackberry. You will note the Yellow lines on both right and left. This may indicate Lemon Pudding. The Wilhelm has a blue line top right of the picture.
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Thanks for the info
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Mike--Thanks for sharing (as usual) the pictures of your two cards. I believe both are pudding flavor, in fact pretty certain. As you summarized, I am dead certain the the Pinson came from Lemon Pudding given the yellow coloring on both sides. (Pinson is a card where I have other card specimens of him coming from Lemon Pudding flavor). Similarly, your Wilhelm definitely looks to be a Vanilla Pudding flavor given the positioning of the blue coloring on the right side. (That Wilhelm Vanilla Pudding card is another one where I have another of his cards also with the Vanilla Pudding blue coloring). For both of these cards I have not found evidence that either player appeared on more than one pudding flavor box (of course each player was on at least one gelatin flavor also like every other player in the set). Again, thanks for sharing Mike.
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Did not respond to every posting of a Jell-O card. But did want to acknowledge all the submittals. Definitely are appreciated. For me collaborative efforts like this to unlock mysteries of long ago sets are great and by far the most effective.
We can all see that a number of the cards posted were indeed originated from pudding boxes just by the colors on one or both sides of the cards. And based on the color, you know the flavor .... as I mentioned before: Blue coloring ties to Vanilla Pudding. Pink coloring ties to Coconut Cream Pudding. Yellow Coloring means Lemon Pudding. Light brown is Butterscotch. And a darker burnt reddish is Chocolate flavor. And lastly if you can see any portion of a BLACK line border on the left side of the card (like some of the cards posted), then it cannot be a Pudding card. The vast majority of the cards posted have some sort of clues which help identification. Anyway thanks. Look forward to seeing any others folks might have. Last edited by Kenmarks; 08-09-2019 at 09:13 AM. |
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As I was looking thru, I know a majority of mine are missing the left border or have the black border being from gelatin. I'm not done yet and not sure if you have it noted but I did find Frank Robinson from what I believe to be lemon pudding. I will continue to look.
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Ken: I am waiting for 22-23 62 Jell-o’s to come back from PSA. When those get back to me I will post anything that may help you. I will try and go through the rest of the 62 Jell-o’s I have as well and post anything that may help you. Thanks for your diligent work regarding these issues.
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Couple More
Here is my Mathews with blue past the border making it a probable Vanilla pudding. The other 2 are just for show
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More Info
Sorry, file didn't load. Will try later.
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1962 Jell-O Mathews
Mike--really looking forward to seeing your Mathews. While I had identified him as having appeared on a pudding box, never had any evidence which flavor(s) it might be. Very good and much appreciated.
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some additions?
Ken--here are a few--be glad to email scans to you if you need any of them:
3 Clete Boyer Lemon 6 Maris--coconut cream 16 Boris--chocolate 22 Lary vanilla 50 Landis chocolate 89 Lemon vanilla 92 Sieburn chocolate 124 Jay butterscotch 149 Aaron coconut cream (only one I am not quite certain of) 190 Elston Curious when you might be sharing your current research/findings? peter |
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Elston was Lemon
My Elston is lemon
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Unidentified Players
By my count there are 68 players that we have not identified as to what flavor they were on. Ken's count may be different as we have not synched our lists since last year.
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Berra--Vanilla
In the light of day--Yogi shows a faint line of blue on the upper right edge.
so one more card #7 Berra--Vanilla blue |
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Thanks! Tim |
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And is the theory that every cards in the set can be found on pudding? It seems like some players (Mantle) are on multiple flavors.
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sorry to piecemeal my response
But here are two more:
26 Jim Bunning--yellow lemon 193 tony Taylor--yellow lemon |
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overall recap
3 Boyer Lemon
5 Mantle Butterscotch/chocolate/lemon 6 Maris Coconut Creme 7 Berra Vanilla 9 Ford Lemon 11 Blanchard Chocolate 16 Boris Chocolate 22 Lary Vanilla 26 Bunning Lemon 27 Gentile Chocolate 34 Pappas Chocolate 35 Wilhelm Vanilla 47 Fox Butterscotch 49 Aparicio Lemon 50 Landis Chocolate 58 Malzone Lemon 71 Woodling Vanilla 83 Allison Chocolate 85 Killebrew Coconut Creme/Lemon 89 Lemon Vanilla 92 Sieburn Chocolate 114 Snider Chocolate 121 Pinson Lemon 122 Frank Robinson Butterscotch/Lemon 124 Jay Butterscotch 142 Mays Butterscotch/Chocolate 147 Matthews Vanilla 149 Aaron Coconut Creme/Chocolate 190 Elston Lemon 193 Taylor Lemon |
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Unidentified
Here is my list of unidentified players:
No. Player 2 Richardson 4 Kubek 8 Howard 13 Stafford 15 Wood 18 Bruton 21 Brown 31 Brandt 39 Phillips 41 Kirkland 48 Smith 67 Klaus 68 Veal 69 Keough 70 Tasby 72 Green 78 Pearson 79 Hunt 80 Averill 88 Tuttle 90 Battey 95 Stephens 96 Posada 97 Pignatano 98 Archer 104 Wills 106 Davis, W. 107 Roseboro 108 Podres 112 Gilliam 113 Larker 115 Williams 116 Coleman 117 Blasingame 118 Freese 130 Zimmerman 131 McCovey 132 Pagan 133 Alou 134 Davenport 137 Bailey 138 Jones 144 Amalfitano 146 Bolling 150 Cimoli 151 Thomas 152 Torre 153 Burdette 155 Willey 158 White 159 Boyer 163 McDaniel 164 Broglio 165 Jackson 166 Flood 167 Simmons 169 Stuart 171 Hoak 175 Virdon 179 Law 181 Smith 183 Zimmer 191 Kindall 192 Herrera 194 Amaro 195 Demeter 197 Dalrymple 199 Mahaffey |
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Reply to John and Tim
Not everyone was on a pudding box. It appears that stars and popular players made it to the pudding boxes. As for straight Jello flavors, Ken and I have been trying to figure out a pattern but, have not come up with anything conclusive. Here are a couple:
19 Aspromonte Strawberry 20 Kaline Strawberry 23 Mossi************* Lime 24 Regan************* Lime 74*****Bilko************** Raspberry 75*****Bridges********** Raspberry 76*****Yost**************** Raspberry It appears that a sequence and flavor combination may be there. I have been trying different scenarios to try and fill in gaps. Not much progress. Also, Ken and I have identified that the "stars" appear on multiple boxes. With many being on multiple puddings. I believe there is a flavor combination in these cases. We also believe that the product was released in southern Ohio due to the fact that many Reds are on multiple boxes. 119**** Kasko************* Strawberry 120**** Bell***************** Strawberry 121**** Pinson************ Blackberry 122**** Robinson, F.** Blackberry, Lemon Pudding, Butterscotch Pudding 123 Purkey Lemon 124**** Jay***************** Black Cherry, Butterscotch Pudding 125**** Brosnan********* Lime, Vanilla Pudding 126**** O’Toole * * * * Blackberry, Coconut Cream Pudding, Vanilla Pudding 127 Lynch Chocolate Pudding 128 Post Vanilla Pudding 129**** K. Hunt********** Orange (Large), Vanilla Pudding Here is Mantle: Apple, Chocolate Pudding, Coconut Cream, Butterscotch Pudding |
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1962 Jell-O Pudding Flavors
Peter--interesting list. We have many the same. Two you have that I have not documented are lemon pudding box cards of Clete Boyer and Mantle. Very interesting.
I tried to copy and paste may spreadsheet into this reply without luck. So looks like I will be typing it out. Might take a while so wanted to get this off now. Hopefully later tonight you guys will see my player to pudding flavor list, though may take longer than that ... but that list will be coming soon. |
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My List of Players on Pudding Boxes
So here is my list of players I can identify as being on pudding boxes and the flavors I have evidence they appeared on. Some players below have cards with pudding traits (glossy finish and deep gold stat area) but I have not seen one cut enough outside the border to identify a flavor. I do believe there are more to be discovered, both in total players and flavors players appeared on. (eg-seems likely Mantle and Maris probably were on three pudding flavors-perhaps Aaron and Mays too. But this is more believing likely as opposed to knowing for sure at this point.)
C-Chocolate V-Vanilla L-Lemon CC-Coconut Cream B-Butterscotch 3 Boyer C 5 Mantle C,B 6 Maris C, CC 8 Berra V 9 Ford L 11 Blanchard C 12 Arroyo V, L 14 Cash C, L, B 16 Boros C 17 Fernandez (unknown) 20 Kaline L 22 Lary V 25 Maxwell C 26 Bunning L 27 Gentile C, L, CC 30 Hanson C 34 Pappas C 35 Wilhelm V 37 Power L 38 Temple C 40 Francona C 44 Held V 47 Fox C, B 49 Aparicio L 50 Landis C 51 Minoso V 53 Lollar C 54 Pierce (unknown) 57 Reynolds V 58 Malzone L 62 Jensen C 64 Schwall C 71 Woodling V 83 Allison C, B 85 Killebrew L, CC 89 Lemon V, 92 Siebern C 94 Howser V 98 Archer (unknown) 99 Sullivan (unknown) 114 Snider C 121 Pinson L 122 F Robinson C, L, B 124 Jay B 125 Brosnan V 126 O'Toole V, CC 127 Lynch C 128 Post V 129 Hunt V 136 Cepeda L 142 Mays C, B 147 Mathews V 149 Aaron C, CC 154 Buhl V 172 Groat B 184 Santo (unknown) 186 Ashburn C 187 Altman V 188 Banks V CC 189 S. Taylor (unknown) 190 Elston L 191 Kindall C 193 T Taylor L 194 Amaro (unknown) 195 Demeter (unknown) |
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One of the latest additions to the list
Don Schwall Coconut Cream pudding
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Another complete box
Already on the list, but nice pics
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Another complete box
Lemon gelatin, not lemon pudding
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6oz box
Nellie Fox on a very rare 6 oz. gelatin box
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Reward offered
to anyone who can connect me with the owner of a Complete 1962 Clemente Jello box. If I am able to negotiate an acquisition I will give $200 to the person who made the connection.
Howard |
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62 jello
Jim gentile
Coconut cream? Yuch |
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Very nice box, no matter what the flavor.
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I need a Klaus Jello card for my collection. Billy was my great Uncle and the focus of my PC. Any leads appreciated.
tfallos@gmail.com facebook.com/billyklausmlb |
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Jell-o
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They do pop up once in awhile. If I see one, or pick up one, I will keep you in mind. Good luck in your collecting ! |
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