#1 set on PSA registry has fakes!

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Let me get this straight....

This pin was submitted to PSA, who didn't notice it was a reprint and slabbed it. Then it was sold in a MH auction, who didn't notice. Then it was bought by a collector, who didn't notice, and now it's for sale through Probstein, who probably didn't notice but still hasn't taken down the listing?

Wowsers.

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Originally Posted by Jim65

So someone went through all the trouble to put together the highest graded set but was too stupid to know when he bought an obvious fake?

PSA is at fault but so are the idiots who don't educate themselves about what they buy.

And there's the problem. TPG encourages across the board laziness. Why do any due diligence when PSA backstops you? And then when you do learn of a problem, just pass it down the line through any number of consignment sellers who are happy to offer a PSA slab without any critical evaluation because it is a PSA slab.

[BuckiGuy]

I think the biggest question here is why did the cert number suddenly come up “unknown”. Is 5his how the6 are trying to hide all the fake/trimmed items that are turning up due to the scandal?

[swarmee]

Pin is still in the Cert verification:
https://www.psacard.com/cert/81751818/

I also reported it as "Item Misclassified" at the following link:
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...auction/69038/

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

And there's the problem. TPG encourages across the board laziness. Why do any due diligence when PSA backstops you? And then when you do learn of a problem, just pass it down the line through any number of consignment sellers who are happy to offer a PSA slab without any critical evaluation because it is a PSA slab.

^^^This^^^

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[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

And there's the problem. TPG encourages across the board laziness. Why do any due diligence when PSA backstops you? And then when you do learn of a problem, just pass it down the line through any number of consignment sellers who are happy to offer a PSA slab without any critical evaluation because it is a PSA slab.

“Never get cheated. There’s always a venue for our mistakes. We guarantee it.”

[Cliff Bowman]

The listing was pulled.

[swarmee]

Well, that's good.

Still waiting on PSA to eliminate all the cert numbers from the 1948 Leaf, 1952 Topps Look-n-See, Parkhurst Hockeys, etc that were all trimmed in super high numbers so that all the ones embedded in set registries are returned to them under the Grade Guarantee.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

The listing was pulled.

Has now been broken up into 60 separate Set Break listings but with a true PSA 8 1969 Clemente subbed in.

Over/under on when we see the 1983 Clemente reappear?

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[swarmee]

It's not the only one... these are in the Auction Prices Realized database.
Sold for $30.
Mantle sold for $455. Resold on COMC for $58 in February.

[swarmee]

Funny thing about the Mantle, is it wasn't even in the original set. PSA has graded three reprints as 1969 pins, when it's not even in their Set Registry.

COMC had a bunch of the reprints listed as 1969. I have sent them correction requests. They may want to inform their previous buyers that the pins are reprints, since they were sold as originals.

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Funny thing about the Mantle, is it wasn't even in the original set. PSA has graded three reprints as 1969 pins, when it's not even in their Set Registry.

g-d d-mn, wtf, (and everything else). I get that there are challenging aspects of every job and anyone is prone to a mistake from time to time. But this isn't like being duped by a well-done fake that wasn't expected and so catches you off-guard...

This is just about recognizing an already established well-known reprint that is not going out of its way trying to nefariously undermine the system. This is so much not like the other things. Ok, so they are missing trimming; they are missing chemical bleaching; they are duped on autos...but this '83 pin thing more than any of that demonstrates the accuracy of the charge that they RUSH and don't spend nearly enough time just envisioning the bigger picture, to stop and say 'wait a minute, are we thinking in a rut here, assuming too much?"

If nothing before did, this shows that they just push things through too fast and without enough thought. Their own website implies a small army of experts examines each item: "A series of PSA graders review your cards for authenticity. If genuine, PSA looks for evidence of doctoring, such as re-coloring or trimming. If your cards pass these two steps, PSA grades the condition of each card on a scale of 1-10. After grading, PSA holders each card." What "series" means is ambiguous, but a fair interpretation could guess three (otherwise why not admit "couple"), plus the doctoring check, plus the grading assessment, all of which may or may not be the same staff, then the slabbing...each of these staff do this day in and day out for months or years on end and must by its nature gain expertise besides what presumably they should have had a minimum of when hired. It is mystifying how all in series can miss these reprints that are not even trying to fool anyone, unless they are just going through the motions too damn fast.

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by swarmee

It's not the only one... these are in the Auction Prices Realized database:

(pic: Mantle NM-MT 8) Mantle sold for $455. Resold on COMC for $58 in February.

Ouch.