Weird 1967 Willie Mays Anomaly(?)

JollyElm · #1 09-13-2019, 11:08 PM

I hope people aren't mistaking what I am saying. It seems pretty obvious that a good number/percentage of these cards came out of the factory thin side to side. It seems a real stretch to believe that they were all trimmed. Certainly one here and there has been trimmed by someone trying to game the system, but I think there was clearly a cutting problem at the printers/Topps plant.

moeson · #2 09-14-2019, 09:33 AM

I have 3 raw 1967 Mays (NFS) that were taken directly from freshly opened cello packs at an early 70s card show in NY. Two of the 3 are just slightly short, but not to the extent that they would "swim" in a holder.

murphy8276 · #3 09-24-2019, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I hope people aren't mistaking what I am saying. It seems pretty obvious that a good number/percentage of these cards came out of the factory thin side to side. It seems a real stretch to believe that they were all trimmed. Certainly one here and there has been trimmed by someone trying to game the system, but I think there was clearly a cutting problem at the printers/Topps plant.

You could be right, but why does it matter? PSA will not grade any short cards if they actually take a second to measure it. If they didn't, they have obviously graded some trimmed aspects as well sadly.

I have personally been minsizerq'd numerous times, but always just send it back in with next order in a fresh CS 1, and it typically has graded the second time.

jchcollins · #4 09-27-2019, 07:31 AM

I recently bought a decent '59 Topps Koufax #163 raw at my LCS. It would be maybe a 4 or 5 if graded.

I was surprised when I got it home and was going to put it in a one touch, that it wouldn't fit into any I had...it is just a hair too tall. Like Maybe a 16th of an inch. I compared it to several other '59 commons in my collection and it bears out the height thing. I guess it's just the way it was cut - it's obviously real and I'm guessing it would be pretty improbable that anyone would have "altered" the card to make it bigger...

-John

jchcollins · #5 09-27-2019, 07:38 AM

Darren, also with your '67 Mays example -

Some may appear to be "swimming" in the PSA slab because they have tilt or a slight diamond cut. Both are incredibly common on '67 Topps. I do buy into your theory however that microscopic differences in size are also very common. Cards that "swim" in a TPG holder for whatever reason are one of my biggest pet peeves. It's just the annoyance of seeing them move more than any fear that they will get damaged that bugs me most, but I will generally liberate a card from any slab if it moves too noticeably. Toploaders and penny sleeves and you don't have that problem...

JollyElm · #6 11-23-2019, 05:53 PM

Call this one Literal Tommy John Surgery...

I ran across another obvious anomaly that is most likely the result of poor cutting practices at Topps, because once again it is hard to believe that all of these cards were independently sliced short side to side by wannabe card doctors. The last card in the 1967 set, #609 Tommy John, is overwhelmingly found to be short side to side and swimming in the holders (as usual, the uploaded scans make some of them hard to see, but each is too thin). Check it out...

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