Opinion on these recently bought low grade Ruth and Gehrig Goudey - Real or Fake

kevinlenane · #1 09-15-2019, 09:13 AM

Yeah i just cant tell if its the tape thats making them darker - there is just a single ruth with that top corner lopped off. The borders are def off left to right it lt looks like a bit of a diamond cut on the bottom. I should listen to you two and bail on it - part of me wants to find out for myself but boy is that going to be expensive. Thank you both - i feel like im trying to convince myself my arm isnt broken as my doctor is putting a cast on...Here are the best version of the issues i can produce...

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Republicaninmass · #2 09-15-2019, 09:27 AM

Hey dude, this "scrapbook" has sold and has been listed 3 times prior for 1k to 1500. Did you really think for 5500 it "could be real" when others for the past few months have passed on it?

Greedy makes for a hungry puppy

kevinlenane · #3 09-15-2019, 09:40 AM

Republicaninmass - i had no idea that it had been posted and resold - I didnt buy it for 5500 - i made an offer for 800 but if thats true about it being posted and resold than I can certainly back away from it...thanks

kevinlenane · #4 09-15-2019, 09:49 AM

I cant find any record of the sales - can you point me in the right direction? Honestly i saw it for the first time this morning.

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Hey dude, this "scrapbook" has sold and has been listed 3 times prior for 1k to 1500. Did you really think for 5500 it "could be real" when others for the past few months have passed on it?

Greedy makes for a hungry puppy

drcy · #5 09-15-2019, 09:52 AM

I don't offer an opinion other than the tape doesn't look terribly old.

CobbSpikedMe · #6 09-15-2019, 09:50 AM

I didn't know it was sold and resold several times prior either. That's not a good look I must admit.

kevinlenane · #7 09-15-2019, 10:14 AM

Agreed on the reselling - i just cant find any record of it being discussed or bought or sold - though it was stated with some conviction so its giving me pause...

kevinlenane · #8 09-15-2019, 05:39 PM

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CobbSpikedMe · #9 09-15-2019, 09:27 AM

I'm going to go against the grain and say the Ruth looks good to me. It's being held down with old tape and all the other commons look good. I just don't see the Ruth being fake in that bunch.

Leon · #10 09-15-2019, 06:19 PM

I personally wouldn't gamble on it. I am not 100% but it (the Ruth) just doesn't look right. It could be the scan. Not sure about the back of the Gehrig either. If there is any really white looking paper, where there is damage, that is a yellow flag.

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Originally Posted by kevinlenane

Yeah i just cant tell if its the tape thats making them darker - there is just a single ruth with that top corner lopped off. The borders are def off left to right it lt looks like a bit of a diamond cut on the bottom. I should listen to you two and bail on it - part of me wants to find out for myself but boy is that going to be expensive. Thank you both - i feel like im trying to convince myself my arm isnt broken as my doctor is putting a cast on...Here are the best version of the issues i can produce...

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bigfanNY · #11 09-15-2019, 09:54 PM

I dont like cardboard of the gehrig...

Rickyy · #12 09-16-2019, 01:40 AM

The back of the Gehrig looks too clean... I've owned a poor one and it should look more faded.

Ricky Y

brob28 · #13 09-16-2019, 07:17 AM

I saw the listing and didn't like the look of the Ruth or Gehrig. I agree with a previous post that some cards look legit, but not the R or G. It's a bit difficult to see due to the angle of the pictures.

brob28 · #14 09-16-2019, 07:30 AM

Here's a legit Gehrig for comparisson.

bobbyw8469 · #15 09-16-2019, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brob28

I saw the listing and didn't like the look of the Ruth or Gehrig. I agree with a previous post that some cards look legit, but not the R or G. It's a bit difficult to see due to the angle of the pictures.

Agreed...some are probably legit. However, your two money cards are both fake, and that is what he is basing his high pricing on. At MOST it is worth around $100-$200 as a novelty, and hoping you can remove the cards from the pages. But don't overpay based on the Ruth and Gehrig, or you are going to lose your money and not be very happy.

JeremyW · #16 09-16-2019, 03:23 PM

I'm in the minority here, but I think the cards are real, even the Ruth & Gehrig. With the tape & chunk missing from the Ruth I would probably pass at $800.

brianp-beme · #17 09-18-2019, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickyy

The back of the Gehrig looks too clean... I've owned a poor one and it should look more faded.

Ricky Y

Saw the recent posts and I am still not quite sure...always better to see in person. Just a point though, cards that have been taped or glued into scrapbooks, etc., quite often have cleaner than normal backs. I assume this is partially because the backs were not exposed to the elements like their free as a bird brothers.

Brian

Rickyy · #18 09-18-2019, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Saw the recent posts and I am still not quite sure...always better to see in person. Just a point though, cards that have been taped or glued into scrapbooks, etc., quite often have cleaner than normal backs. I assume this is partially because the backs were not exposed to the elements like their free as a bird brothers.

Brian

true Brian good points. I have seen cards ripped out where there were fades around the outer edges...and relatively unscathed in the middle..

Ricky Y

kevinlenane · #19 09-18-2019, 08:12 PM

Regardless its been super fun going through this - i will also say this - Ive been able to verify the my "wifes' uncle" thing. There is a very old man that died who has the same last name and was born in that area - and there are pictures of him at Guaducanal in this scrapbook (which im going to try to send back) There are a bunch of photos of him from the 30s and newspaper articles from the era. So at the very least - I know this seller isnt trying to scam anyone. They could be super old reprints or the real deal - they are all beat up but i dont really mind it. Here are two more interesting factors that i noticed - though im not totally sure what they mean:

1. You can see the red goudey overprint through the Gehrig back
2. They were not printed with any kind of modern printer (no dot matrix just the color on card texture
3. The stamp looks like it was done differently and has no discernable break pattern at 1200 DPI on both the Gehrig and Ruth.

Sorry to drag this out - but im having so much fun doing my Forensic Files (which incidentally I used to work on...)

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