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			Interesting perspective, Jake?  Have you EVER helped out a friend?  Maybe a friend who doesn't have expertise in an area you...or your online message board posse of "friends" have expertise in?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			Exactly Pete. You did nothing wrong. You had no clue they were going to list it on eBay like that.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			I bought a Connie Mack team signed signature page. I looked at many examples of his signature, came to the conclusion it was real, and bought it on ebay. I was straight forward with the seller I was going to have it authenticated and I would only then leave feedback after its return. It came back from PSA as a clubhouse and I was able to get the money back. Needless to say, that was disappointing. But I have also heard that some clubhouse signatures can also pull a premium, although it obviously wouldn't demand a Ruth premium.  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			Still, that Ruth ball is a cool find. I love the colored threads on those old balls. I collect signed All Star game balls now to liven up my collection, bring a little color into the cabinet. 
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			Well after "selling" it last week she now has it up again, further discounted.  This time mentioning, deep in the description, that the Ruth is "believed to be a clubhouse signature". 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			In the late '80s-very early '90s, there was a dealer who used that very style of clubhouse Ruth in his Krause Publications ads!  Wish I could remember who it was.  Thanks for the chuckle.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			I am pretty sure they would be screwed in an ebay return dispute given the title of the lot... 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Dunno leon... she says twice in the description that it is likely a clubhouse signature.  At this point the price is practically comparable to a blank ball of this era.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			I don't collect this stuff but I am curious, if someone bought that ball and had the Ruth professionally removed to make it a single-signed Huggins ball, is that similar to someone removing defects from cards?  Or is there a separate set of rules for removing unwanted signatures from signed baseballs?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			i dont think price point matters....its about being deceptive.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 In an area of a collectible where the 'friend' already has some expertise, i would just tell them to ask net54 on their own. That way, if the friend is doing what others think is dishonest, then zero questions that I would have to say i had nothing to do with it. i dont have to worry about that on what are nice things to do in california...  | 
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