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Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?
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Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?
PSA high grade, PSA 8 and above prices are going plummet....In my mind....it won’t be long.....it’s not a matter of if anymore......it’s when...that time is getting closer and closer. If law and order doesn’t handle it the lack of buyers will
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PSA high grade, PSA 8 and above prices are going plummet....In my mind....it won’t be long.....it’s not a matter of if anymore......it’s when...that time is getting closer and closer. If law and order doesn’t handle it the lack of buyers will
Is it time to sell my only psa 10...a GRONK rookie??????
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Peter, sounds like a good subject for another article. Things like this must get off the message boards and into the mainstream
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Peter, sounds like a good subject for another article. Things like this must get off the message boards and into the mainstream
Without someone with inside knowledge willing to break ranks with the machine, nothing in the public domain is going to help. It's a joke -- all the shit that's been exposed and the stock is way up and the submission queue has never been longer. My friend can't even get a card reholdered for me after THREE months. And so far, no one on the inside is breaking ranks, they're too busy feeding at the trough. PSA has it all figured out. Give Joe credit. The brand he built/solidified looks like it can withstand a nuclear attack.

Will law enforcement make a difference? We'll see.
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Without someone with inside knowledge willing to break ranks with the machine, nothing in the public domain is going to help. It's a joke -- all the shit that's been exposed and the stock is way up and the submission queue has never been longer. My friend can't even get a card reholdered for me after THREE months. And so far, no one on the inside is breaking ranks, they're too busy feeding at the trough. PSA has it all figured out. Give Joe credit. The brand he built/solidified looks like it can withstand a nuclear attack.

Will law enforcement make a difference? We'll see.
Peter I have confidence someone is gonna roll.....will open the flood gates....I know it’s disheartening hang in there...it’s gonna come back to bite them in their rear.
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Hmmmm.... last Mile High had some controversy and cards taken down -- we'll see if there's any substance to this one (from BO).

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I agree with Johnny to hang in there. You and BODA are making a difference - it’s a marathon not a sprint (or even a 10k), and the facts are on the side of right. Some change will come of this (I hope). We need a more honest “hobby”, and I feel strongly that recent and continued efforts will help push the hobby in that direction. Forward!
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Peter I have confidence someone is gonna roll.....will open the flood gates....I know it’s disheartening hang in there...it’s gonna come back to bite them in their rear.
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Without someone with inside knowledge willing to break ranks with the machine, nothing in the public domain is going to help. It's a joke -- all the shit that's been exposed and the stock is way up and the submission queue has never been longer. My friend can't even get a card reholdered for me after THREE months. And so far, no one on the inside is breaking ranks, they're too busy feeding at the trough. PSA has it all figured out. Give Joe credit. The brand he built/solidified looks like it can withstand a nuclear attack.

Will law enforcement make a difference? We'll see.
That's a very good assessment of the situation and it is maddening that PSA has not even made a public gesture to attempt to minimize or curtail the number of doctored cards being holdered, but rather it's just business as usual. I regard their silence as an admission that they can't detect altered cards and have no interest in spending money and time on technology to address the problem. Why should they? They're making money hand over fist and why cut into the profits?
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That's a very good assessment of the situation and it is maddening that PSA has not even made a public gesture to attempt to minimize or curtail the number of doctored cards being holdered, but rather it's just business as usual. I regard their silence as an admission that they can't detect altered cards and have no interest in spending money and time on technology to address the problem. Why should they? They're making money hand over fist and why cut into the profits?
Or they can detect them, but choose not to because it's what the business is built on.
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Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?
And to think guys like this scammer are like ANTS. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. This just one of a handful that is caught. There are 50 others for every one outed and that's conservative, IMHO.
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Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?
Even if you go to his web page, there is no information as to who he (they) really are or where they are even located. You have to contact them first via email....


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Elsewhere on the thread their names and locations have been identified.
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Here is my question for anyone who really believes that PSA is corrupt: what are you doing about it?
--Still submitting cards?
--Still selling PSA product?
--Still collecting PSA product?
--Still have a PSA Collectors Club membership?
--Still have PSA registry sets?

Why not start to take a stand by resigning your PSA CC membership and deleting your registry sets? Or start a public boycott of PSA services and products? Complaining on a chat board about this purportedly corrupt entity isn't principled in and of itself, it is just whining.
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Here is my question for anyone who really believes that PSA is corrupt: what are you doing about it?
--Still submitting cards?
--Still selling PSA product?
--Still collecting PSA product?
--Still have a PSA Collectors Club membership?
--Still have PSA registry sets?

Why not start to take a stand by resigning your PSA CC membership and deleting your registry sets? Or start a public boycott of PSA services and products? Complaining on a chat board about this purportedly corrupt entity isn't principled in and of itself, it is just whining.
YES! Totally agree!!! But my livelihood doesn't depend on PSA.
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So moving forward, cover-ups, corruption and deceit should be the hobby norm?

It's like a vape store saying they're sticking by their product because their business model depends on it. Never mind the fact that people are now dying. Sad state of affairs.
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So moving forward, cover-ups, corruption and deceit should be the hobby norm?

It's like a vape store saying they're sticking by their product because their business model depends on it. Never mind the fact that people are now dying. Sad state of affairs.
where all these lawsuits if it was so bad. People said to me give it time....still no lawsuits.....nothing to see here


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Here is my question for anyone who really believes that PSA is corrupt: what are you doing about it?
--Still submitting cards?
--Still selling PSA product?
--Still collecting PSA product?
--Still have a PSA Collectors Club membership?
--Still have PSA registry sets?

Why not start to take a stand by resigning your PSA CC membership and deleting your registry sets? Or start a public boycott of PSA services and products? Complaining on a chat board about this purportedly corrupt entity isn't principled in and of itself, it is just whining.
AAAAAAGREED. I don't do any of those things...other than the whining of course.

I find it a fascinating testament on the human condition.

Collectors on this board don't want to hear about what they should do. They want to collect what they love so they can Continue to get their teeth handed to them by a billion dollar corrupt industry.

Yes, fascinating indeed.
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