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Old 10-12-2019, 05:43 PM
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Not up to the standards of the old Point Counterpoint on 60 Minutes.

More like the parody on SNL, with Dan Aykroyd famously saying to Jane Curtin, Jane, you ignorant slut!!
"2 years from now, if still no lawsuits are filed, would you then agree that its far from rocking the hobby in that it would appear most people are happy/refunded with the outcome.."

Tough to have a cogent argument with someone whose only point is that nearly everyone in the hobby is actually thrilled that PSA is putting thousands of trimmed cards into holders simply because no single victim has individually sued a public company for the price of their worthless card. That's his only point. Peter, let me know how many people who lost between $500 and $10,000 due to PSA incompetence would be willing to pay a lawyer to sue PSA, knowing they can't join up in a class?

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Old 10-12-2019, 05:50 PM
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"2 years from now, if still no lawsuits are filed, would you then agree that its far from rocking the hobby in that it would appear most people are happy/refunded with the outcome.."

Tough to have a cogent argument with someone whose only point is that nearly everyone in the hobby is actually thrilled that PSA is putting thousands of trimmed cards into holders simply because no single victim has individually sued a public company for the price of their worthless card. That's his only point. Peter, let me know how many people who lost between $500 and $10,000 due to PSA incompetence would be willing to pay a lawyer to sue PSA, knowing they can't join up in a class?
No point prolonging the argument then, if you don't feed it, it dies.
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It's also a weird situation because in this market, a lot of people could just mitigate their damage by selling off the cards they have doubts about, or even the ones that have been specifically outed. Easier than paying a lawyer to sue for you in Orange County.
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:00 PM
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It's also a weird situation because in this market, a lot of people could just mitigate their damage by selling off the cards they have doubts about, or even the ones that have been specifically outed. Easier than paying a lawyer to sue for you in Orange County.
Hard to sell a card in a graded holder which has been outed as having been altered, no?
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:01 PM
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Hard to sell a card in a graded holder which has been outed as having been altered, no?
99 percent of buyers wouldn't check.
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99 percent of buyers wouldn't check.
At this point i tend to agree!
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:04 PM
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At this point i tend to agree!
What are they going to do, scroll through 3 million pages on Blowout? Go to PSA's website and cross-check their list -- oops -- never mind that one.
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"2 years from now, if still no lawsuits are filed, would you then agree that its far from rocking the hobby in that it would appear most people are happy/refunded with the outcome.."

Tough to have a cogent argument with someone whose only point is that nearly everyone in the hobby is actually thrilled that PSA is putting thousands of trimmed cards into holders simply because no single victim has individually sued a public company for the price of their worthless card. That's his only point. Peter, let me know how many people who lost between $500 and $10,000 due to PSA incompetence would be willing to pay a lawyer to sue PSA, knowing they can't join up in a class?
so nobody lost more than $10,000 due to PSA's incompetence which seems to be the magic number for no lawsuit. . PSA is the only one thats incompetent too i guess as interesting enough, you didnt mention any other entity that could possibly be responsible, just PSA.

Insurance companies are public companies and they get sued, not sure why you mention PSA is a public company like thats a deterrent, they probably have insurance as well. I guess nobody sues public companies.

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Please let this end.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:52 AM
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Please let this end.
He's too stupid to let it end.
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Why don't you two just fight it out on the streets of NY, and afterwards, when both of you are exhausted, then just go for a beer?
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Why don't you two just fight it out on the streets of NY, and afterwards, when both of you are exhausted, then just go for a beer?
yeah he can pay for it given all of the money he makes. Maybe i will pay for the tip when we get the bill but hopefully he wont have alligator arms.
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yeah he can pay for it given all of the money he makes. Maybe i will pay for the tip when we get the bill but hopefully he wont have alligator arms.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiyJI5Kmcro
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Silly me, I opened this today thinking there might be more outed cards on this thread.

Can you two start your own thread so we can get back to the point of this one?
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