Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

perezfan · #1 10-24-2019, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Agreed, that a technology solution would only be as good as the database that was used for learning. But that is the same as a human - they are only as good as their knowledge extends. However a high-res scan (or other measurement method) can pick up things that the human eye cannot.

Personally, I think one of the biggest hurdles for technology would be that if it were more repeatable than human graders, and I don't think that is a stretch, that it would virtually eliminate re-subs. Not good for PSA's business model.

OK, carry on. Back to discussion of the cards.

The part highlighted in bold is just one of the reasons PSA will not adopt it. That and the extra cost + time of implementation. They are all about profits.

And if it is not just oversight, negligence, ineptitude or time constraints that have produced these thousands of misgraded cards (and is something more nefarious, along the lines of favoritism or complicity) then all the talk in the world about technology won't help us a bit.

The Henri Richard Card alone should tell us it is not a lack of technology that's the problem here...

Stampsfan · #2 10-24-2019, 05:42 PM

IMO both left and right borders look trimmed

As for technology, the whole concept of AI is the system will �learn� as it goes. The more samples, the more reference points it will have. Eventually all the variants will be documented. The database will grow over time.

Will mistakes be made? Sure. But the program will be tweaked as it goes and will become better as it goes. �Outed� cards would be identified in the system and would then get better at identifying issues over time.

It�s an evolution and not a revolution.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 10-24-2019, 08:08 PM

Step up to the plate Will Jaimet, apparently you're next on BODA's broadcast of The Card is Trimmed.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=5650

swarmee · #4 10-24-2019, 09:21 PM

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...ghlight=jaimet
Oh, Jaimet's one of the original ones that kicked this whole thing off.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 10-24-2019, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...ghlight=jaimet
Oh, Jaimet's one of the original ones that kicked this whole thing off.

Ah yes, and the connection to PWCC's Jesse Craig, who Betsy called the "salt of the earth."

Paul S · #6 10-24-2019, 10:48 PM

A pillar of salt.

Nunzio11 · #7 10-24-2019, 11:08 PM

This whole thread shows us this is not a lack of technology. Grading old cardboard should not be this difficult. Magnified loupe, ruler and common sense. This is strictly corruption, fraud and greed. There are obviously graders on the take either directly from the trimmers or directly from the corporate offices. Hopefully it�s exposed soon or instead of pop reports and past sales everyone will be checking the BODA trim report before making a purchase, if not already.

Bigdaddy · #8 10-24-2019, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Step up to the plate Will Jaimet, apparently you're next on BODA's broadcast of The Card is Trimmed.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=5650

What's crazy, and incomprehensible to me, is that there is that much difference in price between a PSA 7 and a PSA 8. How is that sustainable in the long run, especially when that pricing model is based on fraud?

Thank you BODA for shining the light on this deceit and fraud.

Fuddjcal · #9 10-25-2019, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

What's crazy, and incomprehensible to me, is that there is that much difference in price between a PSA 7 and a PSA 8. How is that sustainable in the long run, especially when that pricing model is based on fraud?

Thank you BODA for shining the light on this deceit and fraud.

Because people are inherently moronic?

Johnny630 · #10 10-25-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

What's crazy, and incomprehensible to me, is that there is that much difference in price between a PSA 7 and a PSA 8. How is that sustainable in the long run, especially when that pricing model is based on fraud?

Thank you BODA for shining the light on this deceit and fraud.

When it comes down it's going to come down substantially ! A much better time to buy will be coming. Hope this will cause the fraud to dwindle.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 10-26-2019, 09:59 AM

LOL Gary back in the spotlight. The list of specifically outed cards gets longer and longer, and unfortunately we know what that means for the real list of altered cards.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=228

WhenItWasAHobby · #12 10-28-2019, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL Gary back in the spotlight. The list of specifically outed cards gets longer and longer, and unfortunately we know what that means for the real list of altered cards.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=228

What's interesting is the time line of some of those cards. Some cards were purchased in 2007 and didn't reappear as altered until 2016 or 2017. I suppose it's an issue of too many cards to doctor with too little time.

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