PSA/BGS/PWCC dispute or refund thread

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Flintboy

Peters point above is what I was referencing in my original post about this subject. Please do not take that I am in favor of any company or person that alters cards- I am not. Regardless of who is submitting these cards, as the industry leader they need to detect the alterations. Relying on the submitter to sign the submission form stating they haven’t altered the cards is simply an easy way out for them to pass the buck. The reason I submit cards and my money to them is to make sure they haven’t been altered. I’m an honest guy but I hope PSA doesn’t take only my word when I submit that the cards in the grading order aren’t altered. Looking over at BODA, it seems that they rely on that disclaimer and trust of the submitter to often.

Agree PSA has to be challenged on breach of conduct acting in bad faith by alleged card doctor whom submitted. Prove that alleged submitter altered the card and has submitted in bad faith. Idk what the hell is their purpose if they can’t back up their end. I’m not on anyone’s side however IMO Allowing PSA to Continue to PUNT any Responsibility/liability will have serious long term detriment to the hobby/industry.

It’s all a bunch of garbage finger pointing/cover up’s

Card Doctor, Shady Auction Houses, and PSA’s Inabilities/lack of responsibilities are gonna tank the card industry. Greed :-(....sad

[Leon]

A bad actor or three won't tank this industry/hobby.

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree PSA has to be challenged on breach of conduct acting in bad faith by alleged card doctor whom submitted. Prove that alleged submitter altered the card and has submitted in bad faith. Idk what the hell is their purpose if they can’t back up their end. I’m not on anyone’s side however IMO Allowing PSA to Continue to PUNT any Responsibility/liability will have serious long term detriment to the hobby/industry.

It’s all a bunch of garbage finger pointing/cover up’s

Card Doctor, Shady Auction Houses, and PSA’s Inabilities/lack of responsibilities are gonna tank the card industry. Greed :-(....sad

[swarmee]

Even 50 don't seem to be tanking it. It's the Teflon Hobby.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Even 50 don't seem to be tanking it. It's the Teflon Hobby.

Stuff. Need I say the rest?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Stuff. Need I say the rest?

Stuff but more importantly the answer is always money. So many collectors and dealers are in up to their ears with PSA, and it's their livelihood for many of them, they can't quit their sacred cow....even if it is producing sour milk. Who cares if it is a fraudulent card, it is in a holder. LOL.....Remember, we are just troublemakers. Kudos again to the guys over on Blowout for all of the fraud exposed so far. I am sure it will be going on for as long as they want to look. It is sad.

[1952boyntoncollector]

i really havent seen anyone posting about getting a refund or resolving a dispute on this thread for awhile

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Even 50 don't seem to be tanking it. It's the Teflon Hobby.

You need to add a few 0s to that to be even close to the number of bad people in the hobby. Your number is way closer to the honest people.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

You need to add a few 0s to that to be even close to the number of bad people in the hobby. Your number is way closer to the honest people.

After bnorth and myself that leaves 48 remaining honest people in the hobby

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's like the ancient Greek Diogenes, searching for an honest man.