Ebay seller returned cracked out slab

Peter_Spaeth · #1 11-07-2019, 02:57 PM

Very early GAI grade -- the ones that are supposed to be legit.

Question for the seller -- did you have either SGC or PSA review before you listed, at any point, and if not why not?

samosa4u · #2 11-07-2019, 03:06 PM

This is getting interesting. It looks like the guy who won this card has a very big feedback. He might be well known in the hobby.

Bigdaddy · #3 11-07-2019, 03:16 PM

What if this was an autographed T206 that had been authenticated by one of the TPGs, but was then broken out and resubmitted only to come back as 'likely not authentic'?

Would that change anything? Seems like the same scenario to me.

Republicaninmass · #4 11-08-2019, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

What if this was an autographed T206 that had been authenticated by one of the TPGs, but was then broken out and resubmitted only to come back as 'likely not authentic'?

Would that change anything? Seems like the same scenario to me.

Not of it's been cracked out. No longer the same item

ullmandds · #5 11-08-2019, 06:37 AM

I agree with the mentality that being in a GAI holder...the prudent collector would assume the card is authentic. By cracking out the card...the buyer can no longer return the card in as received condition and should be bound to the transaction.

Unfortunately in life today...no one accepts responsibility for their actions and everyone only expects to win...one can no longer lose...losing has become unacceptable.

perezfan · #6 11-07-2019, 03:08 PM

I'd trust the early GAI grade over the "PSA Goldmine" opinion any day of the week.

Seller got completely screwed, IMO. Once the buyer cracked it out, it should've been deemed non-returnable. Such a shame, and typical eBay to automatically side with the buyer. Their dumb "blanket policies" should not always apply in the collectibles arena.

toolifedave · #7 11-07-2019, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perezfan

I'd trust the early GAI grade over the "PSA Goldmine" opinion any day of the week.

Seller got completely screwed, IMO. Once the buyer cracked it out, it should've been deemed non-returnable. Such a shame, and typical eBay to automatically side with the buyer. Their dumb "blanket policies" should not always apply in the collectibles arena.

Ebay has a policy for art and collectibles that states a "items must not be removed from a sealed packaging" I find it interesting no one has stated they have returned a cracked open slab as a buyer or selling or even had or know anyone that had this happen too.

irishdenny · #8 11-07-2019, 03:41 PM

The Moment He Cracked the Card form it's GAI Slab, He Owned the Card!
He Told PSA So when he Sent it to them Out of the Slab and w/o Your Permission as the 3rd party.
He then Lied to You and Ebay by Not Telling He Removed the Card From it's Sealed Package and He did this in order to get Ebay's Aid!

From PSA's Submission Form:

12. If any cards are being submitted for a third
party, Customer represents and warrants that
such third party has agreed and accepted this
Agreement and has signed a duplicate copy
hereof where indicated. Customer agrees to provide that third party-signed copy to PSA at anytime upon its request.

He Could of just left it in the Slab when he Sent it to PSA as a "Review",
i do imagine that the Buyer wanted to See What PSA thoughts were with the Card Out of the GAI Holder... Only because The Buyer Assumed that Every TPG had Seen the Card in it's GAI Slab Already!

Please tell us who "The Cracker" is?
I wouldn't want him to do this to another!

This is Just Wrong in So Many Ways...

BabyRuth · #9 11-07-2019, 03:56 PM

This sounds like a crime has been committed. I would definitely contact my local police and file a report to get a documentation path started. I feel very bad for you, as you did nothing wrong here. So sad that some people are dishonest and would even think of doing something like this. Good thing he lost out on the Ruth you sold by 1 bid, or you would have another similar problem. I hope proper restitution is made to you.

toolifedave · #10 11-07-2019, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishdenny

The Moment He Cracked the Card form it's GAI Slab, He Owned the Card!
He Told PSA So when he Sent it to them Out of the Slab and w/o Your Permission as the 3rd party.
He then Lied to You and Ebay by Not Telling He Removed the Card From it's Sealed Package and He did this in order to get Ebay's Aid!

From PSA's Submission Form:

12. If any cards are being submitted for a third
party, Customer represents and warrants that
such third party has agreed and accepted this
Agreement and has signed a duplicate copy
hereof where indicated. Customer agrees to provide that third party-signed copy to PSA at anytime upon its request.

He Could of just left it in the Slab when he Sent it to PSA as a "Review",
i do imagine that the Buyer wanted to See What PSA thoughts were with the Card Out of the GAI Holder... Only because The Buyer Assumed that Every TPG had Seen the Card in it's GAI Slab Already!

Please tell us who "The Cracker" is?
I wouldn't want him to do this to another!

This is Just Wrong in So Many Ways...

Denny,

Thank you and I think you get it very clearly.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 11-07-2019, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perezfan

I'd trust the early GAI grade over the "PSA Goldmine" opinion any day of the week.

Seller got completely screwed, IMO. Once the buyer cracked it out, it should've been deemed non-returnable. Such a shame, and typical eBay to automatically side with the buyer. Their dumb "blanket policies" should not always apply in the collectibles arena.

Whether the seller got screwed, to me, somewhat depends whether the card had previously been reviewed by PSA or SGC, which I've asked the OP but he hasn't answered yet.

toolifedave · #12 11-07-2019, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Whether the seller got screwed, to me, somewhat depends whether the card had previously been reviewed by PSA or SGC, which I've asked the OP but he hasn't answered yet.

The buyer gave the card to PSA and they returned it unslabbed.

Peter_Spaeth · #13 11-07-2019, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolifedave

The buyer gave the card to PSA and they returned it unslabbed.

Did YOU previously review it, and if not why not?

toolifedave · #14 11-07-2019, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did YOU previously review it, and if not why not?

I didn't have it reviewed by PSA

Peter_Spaeth · #15 11-07-2019, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolifedave

I didn't have it reviewed by PSA

Why not given how much more it would have been worth in a PSA or SGC slab?

Peter_Spaeth · #16 11-07-2019, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolifedave

I didn't have it reviewed by PSA

Because?

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