Mets were 14-18 when Degrom started for them

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by parker1b2

But Degroms 2019 WAR was 7.9, so I guess the Mets would have been 6-26 if he didn’t start those games.

I fine that hard to believe when the team was over .500, 6 and 26 is a really hard record to obtain....you would think at least 10 wins..so a cy young basically wins your team 4 more games..in a season versus starting Steven Brach or however you spell it on the pirates...just fill in a number 4-5 pitcher

[Jim65]

Jacob deGrom was the best pitcher in the NL the last 2 years, period. The Mets bullpen was atrocious and blew many wins for him. His combined ERA the last 2 years is 2.05, with sub 1.00 WHIP both years, you really think a average replacement would do that?

BTW, his name is deGrom, not Degrom.

[familytoad]

As long as winning isn't important anymore, sure he's the best.
Big deal.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by familytoad

As long as winning isn't important anymore, sure he's the best.
Big deal.

So you think a pitcher who is 21-5 with a 5.00 ERA is better than a pitcher who is 11-9 with a 1.70 ERA?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Jim65

So you think a pitcher who is 21-5 with a 5.00 ERA is better than a pitcher who is 11-9 with a 1.70 ERA?

I dont he or I are saying your proposed bad pitcher with a 5.00 era is better than degrom, but saying for this year, it seems as far as wins a losses by the team, a cy young statistical season did not seem to net this years Mets team and more wins then an innings eater pitcher...just an interesting observation..

tricky to tie stats to team wins and losses..

[Peter_Spaeth]

DeGrom on the Astros probably goes 22-3.

When you get no run support and your bullpen consistently lets you down, not much you can do W-L wise.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

DeGrom on the Astros probably goes 22-3.

When you get no run support and your bullpen consistently lets you down, not much you can do W-L wise.

You can say that about other Met starters this year (their runs support 5.00 around instead of 4+ which would not have changed many team outcomes)though and they had winning records or very close.

Jason Vargas run support was 4.44 while Degrom was like 4.13 yet Mets were 14-16 when he started games for them. He has same bullpen as Degrom..

Winning a game 11-0 is great for your era and whip..but if you lose the next 2 games 4-2..your team just 1-2

4.13 runs a game run support is not terrible. for Degrom ..heck 1988 Orel Hershiser run support was 4.03 and his era was basically only .1 (2.3 v 2.4) less than Degrom yet his team was 25.-9 in Hershiser's starts...