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Old 11-27-2019, 03:15 PM
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From the Above Article....two main points to me.

Remember this is a very emotional marketplace. Collectors have an emotional attachment and they would pay any fee to have their collectibles graded if they think it is worth a lot of money.
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Old 11-27-2019, 03:51 PM
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Disgustingly gratuitous article. Does this guy have blinders on? Not a word about the scandal... completely irresponsible reporting.

Feels like there was some “greasing of palms” that preceded that article.
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There is a place to comment. I will not sign up (because I don’t sign up for things generally), but people can and can comment. I would love to see some comments regarding the scandal with links to BODA threads.
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Disgustingly gratuitous article. Does this guy have blinders on? Not a word about the scandal... completely irresponsible reporting.

Feels like there was some “greasing of palms” that preceded that article.
Eh. This scandal you speak of is just a few malcontents spouting off on a message board. Just ask Joe and Steve.
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Remember that Seeking Alpha is a blog type site, not really sourced. That was mentioned when one of the contributors actually "broke" the story to the mainstream investors who might read that site. I believe it preceded even the Washington Post and New York Times articles.
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I think the problem arises is this. Why should I be penalized because of all the crap Moser has pulled???? I am not trimming cards. Graded cards bring more. Period. I understand the boycott PSA mentality, but as I stated....Why should my collection take a monetary hit because of the greed of a few individuals?
Bobby, no offense, but you submitted cards and asked/called others to see if there was any interest in doing so "after" this scandal broke when their was sufficient evidence at that time that PSA was culpable and possibly complicit in all this.

Each to their own but I will never understand how someone can continue to support a business or anyone like this then cry afoul when it all falls apart.

I quit supporting PWCC when I realized they were banking large on their shipping fees alone. Imo, if they were capable of breaking simple shipping rules and are that easily motivated by greed then they are capable of much more.
I was not surprised in the least when this scandal broke and PWCC were implicated.
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Bobby, no offense, but you submitted cards and asked/called others to see if there was any interest in doing so "after" this scandal broke when their was sufficient evidence at that time that PSA was culpable and possibly complicit in all this.

Each to their own but I will never understand how someone can continue to support a business or anyone like this then cry afoul when it all falls apart.
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As more people become aware of the PSA and PCGS brand name, trust becomes a key component in the marketplace. It is a guarantee that gives buyers and sellers stable ground around transactions.



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As more people become aware of the PSA and PCGS brand name, trust becomes a key component in the marketplace. It is a guarantee that gives buyers and sellers stable ground around transactions.



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Amen. Tell it, Joe.
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Amen. Tell it, Joe.
Their company is based on pure opinion only based grading. They have a Teflon non stick business model with rockstar marking, pop report and registry.
They will never be taken down. It’s only their opinion.
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PSA Definitely has A Cult Like Base it’s Growing Everyday

When people believe a card in their holder will always be worth more money they will do anything they have to do to get said card in a Newport Beach Holder.
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Old 11-28-2019, 10:18 AM
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No one knows how all this will turn out of course, but it would not surprise me at all if Joe is able to stuff this the same way he was able to stuff WIWAG, Mexican holders, etc. He is not to be underestimated, and there are many factors on his side. Among those factors are allegiance, addiction, and indifference.
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