Mets were 14-18 when Degrom started for them

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think either of his CY winning seasons were as impressive as Zach Greinke's in 2009. He went 16-8 on a team that only won 65 games. Not only did he win nearly 25 percent of all the games the Royals won that year, but his 242 strike outs accounted for about 20 percent of the entire team's total. His 229 innings were about 16 percent of all innings pitched that year too.

Greinke's 2009 Cy Young-winning season:
ERA 2.16
ERA+ 205
FIP 2.33
WHIP 1.073

deGrom's 2018 Cy Young-winning season:
ERA 1.70
ERA+ 218
FIP 1.98
WHIP 0.912

I don't know. deGrom's first Cy Young season seems more impressive than Greinke's.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Greinke's 2009 Cy Young-winning season:
ERA 2.16
ERA+ 205
FIP 2.33
WHIP 1.073

deGrom's 2018 Cy Young-winning season:
ERA 1.70
ERA+ 218
FIP 1.98
WHIP 0.912

I don't know. deGrom's first Cy Young season seems more impressive than Greinke's.

Its not how many runs you give up, its when you give up the runs. If you give up 20 runs in 6 games...but 15 runs in one game in a loss and the other 5 games you give up 1 run and win all five and are 5-1....thats better to me then giving up 15 runs over 6 games but losing all 6 by 1 run.......this is just the theory....

Degrom's team was well over .500 Zack's team was well below .500...yet Zach's team won a large portion of his starts... to me team wins matter ...stats matter too of course.....but putting all together...i like Grienke's season much better...imo i havent checked but will assume the run support was more or very close for DeGrom as well. adjusted for NL/AL..

[packs]

I think Greinke's season was remarkable because he was able to put together a season like that in spite of his team. The 2018 Mets had three other starting pitchers who threw 150 innings or more with sub 4.00 ERAs. The 2009 Royals had Greinke and then Brian Bannister, who went 7-12 with a 4.73 ERA. No other starting pitcher threw 150 innings or more in 2009 for that team, or had a lower ERA than Bannister's.