Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And a reglued Red. My.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...6&postcount=32

Wow this one is really bad changing or adding lettering ? What’s next front of card

[Peter_Spaeth]

Red Cobb, SGC 5.5, formerly PSA altered, in PWCC.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1337657

[ALBB]

Serious question here -

Does anyone know what these " card doctors" charge to do their " magic" ?

Ive seen loads of cards that get worked on, then get a huge bump in price, but what about the cards that end up getting " just : a $500-$1000 increase...,is a profit made on those ?

Does the " doctor " have a price list - cleaning - 350, trimming 650, recoloring.etc...

Always wondered about that ??

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by ALBB

Serious question here -

Does anyone know what these " card doctors" charge to do their " magic" ?

Ive seen loads of cards that get worked on, then get a huge bump in price, but what about the cards that end up getting " just : a $500-$1000 increase...,is a profit made on those ?

Does the " doctor " have a price list - cleaning - 350, trimming 650, recoloring.etc...

Always wondered about that ??

haha - this is intriguing. like the college admissions scandal! Pretty sure these guys are doing it for themselves in a closed loop, and it's not a 'random stranger bring me your vintage raws, and for 10% I'll turn them into gold' thing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

haha - this is intriguing. like the college admissions scandal! Pretty sure these guys are doing it for themselves in a closed loop, and it's not a 'random stranger bring me your vintage raws, and for 10% I'll turn them into gold' thing.

Dick Towle offers his services to customers. His work and people's views of it have been discussed at length.

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dick Towle offers his services to customers. His work and people's views of it have been discussed at length.

fair enough - i meant the people doing it in secret. like moser (not a well kept secret, but he's attempting (successfully) to defraud. at least these guys are telling the world they're doing it - on the front end at least. wish their work came with a watermark.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

fair enough - i meant the people doing it in secret. like moser (not a well kept secret, but he's attempting (successfully) to defraud. at least these guys are telling the world they're doing it - on the front end at least. wish their work came with a watermark.

My belief is that the card doctors work alone or sometimes partner with a money guy. For example, my belief is that Johnny Adams, Jr. was not himself working cards.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Red Cobb, SGC 5.5, formerly PSA altered, in PWCC.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1337657

After a lot of soul searching I think we should NOT avoid PWCC. Everyone should bid high, early, and often. Seriously we need to keep the values up so it doesn't affect they honest collectors and dealers. After all the majority of participants in this hobby are good honest people. If people boycott sellers it will drive prices down, how is that fair.

Then we have to consider there are really only a couple of bad people with a few altered cards. Hell there might not even be any altered cards. Plus this is all new so how could anybody have known. It could also be the people on BO are pulling a hoax and photoshopping some cards to prank us.

On a real serious note if I ever post about this again please call me a moronic idiot for even caring. Hell the moronic idiots who actually collect this stuff don't.

[Republicaninmass]

I'm not even putting any of his auctions on my watch list.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Red Cobb 17K, sure hope it was not in fact altered as PSA graded it.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Red Cobb 17K, sure hope it was not in fact altered as PSA graded it.

There's a small spot upper left ish in the background that might be recolored. I just can't tell from the scan, even that really nice scan.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Wow this one is really bad changing or adding lettering ? What’s next front of card

The surface was peeled, and it looks like they glued it back in place.
Oddly, they missed the "E" from series, which was floating loose near the lower border of the upper area.

[ALBB]

Obviously, these guys are making money with the trimming and modifying .

I wonder if it was a deal of - " lets see what some suckers pays..then we split the difference ? "

[irv]

Originally Posted by bnorth

After a lot of soul searching I think we should NOT avoid PWCC. Everyone should bid high, early, and often. Seriously we need to keep the values up so it doesn't affect they honest collectors and dealers. After all the majority of participants in this hobby are good honest people. If people boycott sellers it will drive prices down, how is that fair.

Then we have to consider there are really only a couple of bad people with a few altered cards. Hell there might not even be any altered cards. Plus this is all new so how could anybody have known. It could also be the people on BO are pulling a hoax and photoshopping some cards to prank us.

On a real serious note if I ever post about this again please call me a moronic idiot for even caring. Hell the moronic idiots who actually collect this stuff don't.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Big gainer for Jake.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=431

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Big gainer for Jake.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=431

..after almost three years , and assuming the buyer of the ''9'' sees this post , is there any recourse to a refund ? From whom , ? The auction house or PSA ? I'm in awe of both those selling prices....
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[Peter_Spaeth]

4K plus gain
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=435

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

..after almost three years , and assuming the buyer of the ''9'' sees this post , is there any recourse to a refund ? From whom , ? The auction house or PSA ? I'm in awe of both those selling prices....
..

PSA

If the sale was real