Hey, pennant guys

perezfan · #1 12-09-2019, 03:46 PM

Thanks Greg...

I agree it was a good decision to back off the Brooklyn pennant, given the torn sack and the big price it was getting. Looks like your other two are in stellar condition, and beautiful. That Giants pennant (holding the tiny ball) is off the charts cool.

Also relieved to see that these pennants fit into a top loader. I was really worried that the Yankees protruding Top Hat would prevent it from fitting inside the sleeve.

thetahat · #2 12-09-2019, 03:50 PM

What�s extra cool about these pennants is that all the printing has a felt like surface to it, but it is rigid (i.e. it cracks like paint). Very unique! I only saw the Red Sox pennant once and I think Rick H. won it.

perezfan · #3 12-09-2019, 03:52 PM

Not surprised. That Grail truly belongs in Rick�s collection.

thetahat · #4 12-09-2019, 03:53 PM

Here’s a question. Why do the Tigers have the most attractive pennants ... far and away. Probably the most variations, too, and the most dated pennants that do not commemorate a championship. But I don’t know of any scroll pennants of theirs besides the funky 1940 and the ‘45.

perezfan · #5 12-09-2019, 04:13 PM

I�ve got a few. One is a really unique gold color and the other is a beautiful raspberry color. Both are super gorgeous and rare. I�ll post pics if I can find them.

perezfan · #6 12-09-2019, 04:20 PM

I agree that Tigers pennants throughout the years are the best by far. It started in the teens (with oversized beauties) and continued all the way through the sixties, with more variations than any other team, by far. They also had more �Stadium� versions than any other team.

Would love to know why, but it would probably take thousands of hours of googling, only to come up with nothing. Perhaps their person in charge of concessions just loved Pennants the way we do!

Domer05 · #7 12-10-2019, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

I agree that Tigers pennants throughout the years are the best by far. It started in the teens (with oversized beauties) and continued all the way through the sixties, with more variations than any other team, by far. They also had more �Stadium� versions than any other team.

Would love to know why, but it would probably take thousands of hours of googling, only to come up with nothing. Perhaps their person in charge of concessions just loved Pennants the way we do!

I think I have the answer: it's the Trench-Sportservice partnership. By the 1940s, Trench was making some of the best pennants on the market. Their artwork was tops; as were their production methods. All they needed was a marketplace to sell their merch in.

The Tigers were one of the first teams to really give them that. That's because the Tigers were the first team to partner with Sportservice. Once Navin Field's ballpark concession stands were run by Sportservice in the 1930s, that opened the door for Trench's pennants. Trench seems to have capitalized on things by the early 1940s, making some really cutting edge pennants for their exclusive use.

If you look at 1940s Tigers pennants, I suspect many were made by Trench. Whereas other Trench pennants from this era utilized generic ballpark designs, their Tiger ones featured custom renderings of Briggs Stadium. Several different ones, in fact.

By the 1950s Trench was making stadium pennants for other teams; but, early on, not so much. The Tigers enjoyed early access to Trench pennants via Sportservice; and that connection seems to have generated some really special pennants for them and them alone.

I think that best explains why Tiger fans have it so good when it comes to terrific pennant designs.

Fballguy · #8 12-10-2019, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

I think I have the answer: it's the Trench-Sportservice partnership. By the 1940s, Trench was making some of the best pennants on the market. Their artwork was tops; as were their production methods. All they needed was a marketplace to sell their merch in.

The Tigers were one of the first teams to really give them that. That's because the Tigers were the first team to partner with Sportservice. Once Navin Field's ballpark concession stands were run by Sportservice in the 1930s, that opened the door for Trench's pennants. Trench seems to have capitalized on things by the early 1940s, making some really cutting edge pennants for their exclusive use.

If you look at 1940s Tigers pennants, I suspect many were made by Trench. Whereas other Trench pennants from this era utilized generic ballpark designs, their Tiger ones featured custom renderings of Briggs Stadium. Several different ones, in fact.

By the 1950s Trench was making stadium pennants for other teams; but, early on, not so much. The Tigers enjoyed early access to Trench pennants via Sportservice; and that connection seems to have generated some really special pennants for them and them alone.

I think that best explains why Tiger fans have it so good when it comes to terrific pennant designs.

Great info...I guess that explains why it's harder to sell Tigers pennants (for me anyway) and why they tend to go for less than I expected. I always thought Tigers fans were cheap...but it's just that there's no shortage of Tigers pennants out there.

Fballguy · #9 12-10-2019, 07:15 AM

One other note...The Tigers deal with Sportservice/Trench must've included the Lions as well as they are one of the few (only?) NFL teams to have stadium pennants from that era...though not as many as the Tigers. Has anyone seen 1940-50's era football pennants with other stadiums besides Briggs? I know there's a Soldier Field pennant, but with no reference to the Bears on it. Can't think of any others off the top of my head.

thetahat · #10 12-11-2019, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

I think I have the answer: it's the Trench-Sportservice partnership. By the 1940s, Trench was making some of the best pennants on the market. Their artwork was tops; as were their production methods. All they needed was a marketplace to sell their merch in.

The Tigers were one of the first teams to really give them that. That's because the Tigers were the first team to partner with Sportservice. Once Navin Field's ballpark concession stands were run by Sportservice in the 1930s, that opened the door for Trench's pennants. Trench seems to have capitalized on things by the early 1940s, making some really cutting edge pennants for their exclusive use.

If you look at 1940s Tigers pennants, I suspect many were made by Trench. Whereas other Trench pennants from this era utilized generic ballpark designs, their Tiger ones featured custom renderings of Briggs Stadium. Several different ones, in fact.

By the 1950s Trench was making stadium pennants for other teams; but, early on, not so much. The Tigers enjoyed early access to Trench pennants via Sportservice; and that connection seems to have generated some really special pennants for them and them alone.

I think that best explains why Tiger fans have it so good when it comes to terrific pennant designs.

Domer... this is AWESOME stuff! Thank you!

ooo-ribay · #11 12-11-2019, 09:18 AM

More than a half a MILLION views of this page!

I should have something to contribute, shortly...

Huck · #12 12-16-2019, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

I think I have the answer: it's the Trench-Sportservice partnership. By the 1940s, Trench was making some of the best pennants on the market. Their artwork was tops; as were their production methods. All they needed was a marketplace to sell their merch in.

The Tigers were one of the first teams to really give them that. That's because the Tigers were the first team to partner with Sportservice. Once Navin Field's ballpark concession stands were run by Sportservice in the 1930s, that opened the door for Trench's pennants. Trench seems to have capitalized on things by the early 1940s, making some really cutting edge pennants for their exclusive use.

If you look at 1940s Tigers pennants, I suspect many were made by Trench. Whereas other Trench pennants from this era utilized generic ballpark designs, their Tiger ones featured custom renderings of Briggs Stadium. Several different ones, in fact.

By the 1950s Trench was making stadium pennants for other teams; but, early on, not so much. The Tigers enjoyed early access to Trench pennants via Sportservice; and that connection seems to have generated some really special pennants for them and them alone.

I think that best explains why Tiger fans have it so good when it comes to terrific pennant designs.

Interesting. As a newbie to this niche collectible, I was wondering why for the era in question (a) Tiger pennants seemed far cooler than the rest (2) there seems to be a ton of Tiger pennants.

ooo-ribay · #13 12-17-2019, 07:19 PM

A while back, Marc (bocca) posted a picture of a previously unseen SF Giants "Keezer" pennant. I'm not sure if Marc's pennant was marked, bit it is indeed a Keezer.

perezfan · #14 12-13-2019, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat

Here�s a question. Why do the Tigers have the most attractive pennants ... far and away. Probably the most variations, too, and the most dated pennants that do not commemorate a championship. But I don�t know of any scroll pennants of theirs besides the funky 1940 and the �45.

Here�s that Raspberry colored Tigers Scroll I alluded to. Don�t have time to research the year, but it�s pretty unique. I don�t think I�ve seen another.

Was not looking to sell, but $350 shipped, if anyone wants it. The spine is clean (that�s just a shadow).

I�ll be listing a bunch of others on the BST later today, in all price ranges. Thanks!

thetahat · #15 12-13-2019, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Here�s that Raspberry colored Tigers Scroll I alluded to. Don�t have time to research the year, but it�s pretty unique. I don�t think I�ve seen another.

Was not looking to sell, but $350 shipped, if anyone wants it. The spine is clean (that�s just a shadow).

I�ll be listing a bunch of others on the BST later today, in all price ranges. Thanks!

Mark ... nice pennants in �wave one�. Let me know if any of your oversized beauties make it into �wave two� so I can go take out a second mortgage!

Huck · #16 12-16-2019, 05:31 AM

I acquired the first pennant for "the wheel" project. Many thanks to ooo-ribay, for forwarding good deals on ebay!

ooo-ribay · #17 12-09-2019, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Thanks Greg...

I agree it was a good decision to back off the Brooklyn pennant, given the torn sack and the big price it was getting. Looks like your other two are in stellar condition, and beautiful. That Giants pennant (holding the tiny ball) is off the charts cool.

I could have put more money in the consignor's pockets with a direct deal. The buyer's premium, sales tax and probable higher than needed shipping cost put me off.

Teamgluck · #18 12-09-2019, 08:34 PM

I won that Giants pennant from REA yesterday

Was close on winning the collegiate of Ames Yankees as well but got outbid when I was asleep

bocca001 · #19 12-09-2019, 10:23 PM

Speaking of favorite pennants and cloth vs. felt, I'll submit this example. Kyle pointed out earlier that it looks like the Giants are playing in Busch stadium, which makes it randomly fun. Also, I had this pennant out the other day and I swear that it is made out of denim. Very strange. But no loose threads.

perezfan · #20 12-09-2019, 11:20 PM

Too funny....

The Cubs did the same thing with Busch Stadium. Clearly that's the case here, but with "Wrigley Field" comically printed below.

I guess that was the pennant company's "stock drawing" of a stadium. Or maybe someone in the art department just got lazy!

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