PWCC reeling from losing my business!

[mintacular]

What was the point of this original thread, not to be critical....Were you being sarcastic that you are just a drop in the bucket and the PWCC steamroller rolls on. Or were you trying to say people like yourself are dropping out of their auctions and indeed deflating their final sales prices/bottom line?

[Fred]

Just my opinion. This will probably blow over for them and it will be business as usual in a short period of time. It seems to be a trend. Crappy things are identified, the hobbyists throw their hands up (in disgust), vow never to do business again with these buttheads and after a few months, nothing is truly done and everything goes back to the way it was. Maybe, just maybe, there might have been a little hand slapping but in the end, what really is done to better the hobby?

[CMIZ5290]

Fred is spot on.....Here is where I am at with all of this.... Brent Huigens and Rick Probstein have been crucified on this Board for years, not months, but several years (rightly so in most cases) and not a damn thing ever gets done, ever... Ebay isn't going to do a damn thing about it, even though of possibly knowing of bad doings....So now what? What's going to happen realistically? My opinion? They will keep right on rolling along.....

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Fred is spot on.....Here is where I am at with all of this.... Brent Huigens and Rick Probstein have been crucified on this Board for years, not months, but several years (rightly so in most cases) and not a damn thing ever gets done, ever... Ebay isn't going to do a damn thing about it, even though of possibly knowing of bad doings....So now what? What's going to happen realistically? My opinion? They will keep right on rolling along.....

Speaking of Rick Probstein…

Check out his response to an indisputably proven altered card that he is currently (and fraudulently) selling...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1338754


How anyone could support this business model is beyond me. I know... stuff trumps all... but what an arrogant POS!

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Speaking of Rick Probstein…

Check out his response to an indisputably proven altered card that he is currently (and fraudulently) selling...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1338754


How anyone could support this business model is beyond me. I know... stuff trumps all... but what an arrogant POS!

Mark.....He is, and let me tell you something.... He doesn't give a shit about what people think about him, actually laughs about it....

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Mark.....He is, and let me tell you something.... He doesn't give a shit about what people think about him, actually laughs about it....

Yeah... and the ONLY way to get him to stop his laughing is to stop buying/consigning from him.

But to your point... the blind will keep leading the blind, and things will likely never change. I used to believe the vast majority simply didn't know about the fraud. Now I think they just don't care.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Fred

Just my opinion. This will probably blow over for them and it will be business as usual in a short period of time. It seems to be a trend. Crappy things are identified, the hobbyists throw their hands up (in disgust), vow never to do business again with these buttheads and after a few months, nothing is truly done and everything goes back to the way it was. Maybe, just maybe, there might have been a little hand slapping but in the end, what really is done to better the hobby?

That couldn’t be more spot on. Well said. That sums up about the last 100,000 comments on this board. In a nutshell. Perfectly.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I know things move too slowly for, well, everyone, but the FBI being involved is a little different than the run of the mill crappy things that people have been bitching about for years.

[BigBeerGut]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I know things move too slowly for, well, everyone, but the FBI being involved is a little different than the run of the mill crappy things that people have been bitching about for years.

How do we know the FBI is involved? Crock-O-Bull

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Their presence at PWCC's booth at the national would certainly suggest it...

[JackW]

Scott seems very well-connected in the hobby. If he says the FBI is involved, you can book it. (Pardon the pun!)

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Their presence at PWCC's booth at the national would certainly suggest it...

Kinda surprising with the FBI at their booth...Lichtman as their lawyer...there is still funny business seemingly going on with their auctions.

[999Tony]

Originally Posted by mintacular

What was the point of this original thread, not to be critical....Were you being sarcastic that you are just a drop in the bucket and the PWCC steamroller rolls on. Or were you trying to say people like yourself are dropping out of their auctions and indeed deflating their final sales prices/bottom line?

Sorry. Didn't check back on this thread. Point was kinda both. My hope is that my one small data point is joined by lots of others to the point where people decide to use a different auction company. But I recognize that PWCC mostly sells high dollar graded cards, and as I am not in that market, my action is likely not to have any effect on PWCC.

And I really was annoyed that I can't/won't bid on those cards. (Did recently pick up one lot of Butterfingers here, and some more on ebay but keep ignoring those on PWCC --there have been some more listed).

[BeanTown]

Kinda interesting to see PWCC realize a price 3X higher what the same card and grade got from a Heritage auction 6 months earlier.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Kinda interesting to see PWCC realize a price 3X higher what the same card and grade got from a Heritage auction 6 months earlier.

Everything is gold they touch, wow what Marketing!! Investment Assets Marketplace Vaults

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Kinda interesting to see PWCC realize a price 3X higher what the same card and grade got from a Heritage auction 6 months earlier.

There is nothing to see here, it's just the difference between a top notch AH and the scrubs. PWCC is honest and the best in the business, just ask any of the great members on here who still consign to and buy from them.

What next are you going to say something bad about PSA. The greatest company in the world. If you don't believe me, again just ask any of our great members who still submit to them.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by bnorth

There is nothing to see here, it's just the difference between a top notch AH and the scrubs. PWCC is honest and the best in the business, just ask any of the great members on here who still consign to and buy from them.

What next are you going to say something bad about PSA. The greatest company in the world. If you don't believe me, again just ask any of our great members who still submit to them.

Exactly!!!

Ben as sad as the Above is that you said, it’s 100% factual. It’s all about the Money People are Brainwashed by the oh this slab will make my card worth more and super easy to sell...we can consign to a auction house who will call my card a Asset Critical Blue Chip Investment Piece you could even join a vault club to re-list till you get your favorite price....it’s Gold Jerry Gold

[Phil68]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Exactly!!!

....it’s Gold Jerry Gold

outSTANDing!

[Fuddjcal]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=6332

What's another 18K between friends?

Just add it to the multi billion dollar fraud

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by bnorth

There is nothing to see here, it's just the difference between a top notch AH and the scrubs. PWCC is honest and the best in the business, just ask any of the great members on here who still consign to and buy from them.

What next are you going to say something bad about PSA. The greatest company in the world. If you don't believe me, again just ask any of our great members who still submit to them.

I threw up in my mouth a little reading that. I hate that what you said is true, but it is.