Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

japhi · #1 12-15-2019, 10:37 AM

The best reveal from those blowout threads is PSA has a program where favoured dealers could sit with a grader in person and that grader would pick through the dealers cards and pull cards that would 10. Cost is 10 pee card, minimum 600 cards, and you only get slabbed 10s back.

Amazing how much of an idiot Orlando is to let these shenanigans go. What a small game they are playing, a 500mm company giving breaks to their hobby buddies. With that level of access - one on one�s with graders- pretty easy to see corruptible the process is. Imagine the influence a dealer like PWCC had been on their own grades. Or 4 sharp corners. The game is clearly rigged.

Johnny630 · #2 12-15-2019, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by japhi

The best reveal from those blowout threads is PSA has a program where favoured dealers could sit with a grader in person and that grader would pick through the dealers cards and pull cards that would 10. Cost is 10 pee card, minimum 600 cards, and you only get slabbed 10s back.

Amazing how much of an idiot Orlando is to let these shenanigans go. What a small game they are playing, a 500mm company giving breaks to their hobby buddies. With that level of access - one on one’s with graders- pretty easy to see corruptible the process is. Imagine the influence a dealer like PWCC had been on their own grades. Or 4 sharp corners. The game is clearly rigged.

Been saying this for months on this thread! It’s a shame most people don’t care or know. This Should he disclosed to the collecting public.... these private Invitational Meetings with graders ....WTH

Peter_Spaeth · #3 12-15-2019, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by japhi

The best reveal from those blowout threads is PSA has a program where favoured dealers could sit with a grader in person and that grader would pick through the dealers cards and pull cards that would 10. Cost is 10 pee card, minimum 600 cards, and you only get slabbed 10s back.

Amazing how much of an idiot Orlando is to let these shenanigans go. What a small game they are playing, a 500mm company giving breaks to their hobby buddies. With that level of access - one on one�s with graders- pretty easy to see corruptible the process is. Imagine the influence a dealer like PWCC had been on their own grades. Or 4 sharp corners. The game is clearly rigged.

Perhaps Joe correctly saw this as a way to lock up PSA's market domination.

Johnny630 · #4 12-15-2019, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Perhaps Joe correctly saw this as a way to lock up PSA's market domination.

How many guys, meaning business, dealers/auction houses, with big adds on their website and in the SMR go to these Invitationals? I’m banking on all of them. Perfect Marketing to their big submitters with large exposure.

PSA=TEFLON

Peter_Spaeth · #5 12-15-2019, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

How many guys, meaning business, dealers/auction houses, with big adds on their website and in the SMR go to these Invitationals? I�m banking on all of them. Perfect Marketing to their big submitters with large exposure.

PSA=TEFLON

I don't doubt that Jeromy Murray takes care of his insiders too. I don't know what the company formerly known as Sportscard Guaranty Company does. Hopefully less of this.

bnorth · #6 12-15-2019, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't doubt that Jeromy Murray takes care of his insiders too. I don't know what the company formerly known as Sportscard Guaranty Company does. Hopefully less of this.

That is complete BS, Joe Clemons and myself say you are wrong!!!

Sean1125 · #7 12-20-2019, 10:38 AM

I woke up this morning to a text from a gentlemen I've dealt with in the past bringing this thread to my attention. It is not too pleasant to spend a couple hours in the morning reading false accusations and needing to study hundreds of replies via multiple sites to issue a statement.

I am quite irate because an anonymous individual has made an erroneous assumption that libels my and my companies name, assumes guilt by association, and is counterfactual.

Evan posted on the reddit thread, "There is so much misinformation in that thread that it�s entertaining." I would not call it entertaining, the words that come to mind are bothersome and alarming. The post involves me without facts, making stretch assumptions, and objectively false statements.

Invest In Baseball was hired by Cardology for the 2018 national to assess collections and market for inventory via our customer base and other means. IIB did not set up a booth and I worked the floor and out of the Cardology booth to help assess collections, ensure he was making fair deals, bring deals to the table, and help some lesser educated staff because of limited bandwidth. This buying ad is identical to the buying ads that were placed throughout the industry, sent to our email list, and was not conducted any differently than usual business other than I was hired, at a very handsome rate, to help Cardology.

I was actually extremely excited to be working with an NFL player, a Super Bowl champion at that. I am 100% sure every single person who has a business would be willing to work with someone who offers a huge advancement for your company via name association alone. Evan has always been cordial, stand-up, and follows through with his word. If it weren't for him I would not have been able to grow IIB as quickly as it did and I am eternally grateful. I make no comment on any of the accusations or assumptions made about him in the Blowout thread and only provide comment on the unfounded accusations relating to myself and IIB.

Via the anonymous posters definition, PWCC, Probstein, and COMC are all associates of Cardology-- they sold inventory. It is unwarranted to list IIB as an associate because the company was hired to work for Evan and unknowingly sold cards on consignment. I am sure there are hundreds of other vendors, auctions, and collectors who have unwittingly sold altered cards, by this posters definition he needs to research them and list them as associates.

Respectfully, I request that I be left out of this. I've mostly moved on from this industry for two years as a business and buy on the side as a hobby to populate my house and enjoy the past that brought me to where I am today.

Kind Regards,

Sean

pokerplyr80 · #8 12-15-2019, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by japhi

The best reveal from those blowout threads is PSA has a program where favoured dealers could sit with a grader in person and that grader would pick through the dealers cards and pull cards that would 10. Cost is 10 pee card, minimum 600 cards, and you only get slabbed 10s back.

Amazing how much of an idiot Orlando is to let these shenanigans go. What a small game they are playing, a 500mm company giving breaks to their hobby buddies. With that level of access - one on one�s with graders- pretty easy to see corruptible the process is. Imagine the influence a dealer like PWCC had been on their own grades. Or 4 sharp corners. The game is clearly rigged.

10 bucks per card in the lot, or do they only charge for the cards graded? If the cards didn't get preferential treatment in the grade assigned I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this, but I'm sure they did.

There was talk on the board a while back about meetings with graders where preferred clients could argue their case when trying for a bump. This new revelation does not come as much of a surprise.

japhi · #9 12-16-2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

10 bucks per card in the lot, or do they only charge for the cards graded? If the cards didn't get preferential treatment in the grade assigned I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this, but I'm sure they did.

There was talk on the board a while back about meetings with graders where preferred clients could argue their case when trying for a bump. This new revelation does not come as much of a surprise.

Ten bucks for the cards that are graded 10�s. And the grader sorts through the lot and pulls the tens. So you show up with 1000 cards, the grader goes one by one and pulls 600 that will grade 10, cost is 6k.

The whole process is preferential treatment, with no controls to prevent influence of the grader.

bnorth · #10 12-16-2019, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

10 bucks per card in the lot, or do they only charge for the cards graded? If the cards didn't get preferential treatment in the grade assigned I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this, but I'm sure they did.

There was talk on the board a while back about meetings with graders where preferred clients could argue their case when trying for a bump. This new revelation does not come as much of a surprise.

To the top part. I know PSA and SGC does this with bulk lots. You pay a flat rate per card and then pay the grading fee on the cards that meet your requirements. This is a win win for everyone if done honestly.

To the second part we had a company come on this forum a couple years ago and offer this service. Also not a bad thing if done honestly. I know I have got cards back from PSA that I knew should have had a higher grade.

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