T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

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It fascinates me....the certain printing pattern similarities between the T206 & T205 sets. For example....(1) the 12 subjects in the T205 Minor League group, which is consistent
with my theory that American Lithographic (ALC) printed the T206 and T205 sets with a basic template of 12 cards across a given sheet (19-inch track width printing press).

(2) The AB = BL = CY = DRUM connection (see Posts #856 and #858) in this thread with respect to the T206 version of this printing pattern. And, you can refer to the current
thread on Net54 for the T205 version of this pattern...... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=276902. This similarity is not serendipitous, it is by design.


Displayed here is one of my T205 (75%) complete A = B = C = D runs. If anyone on this forum has a spare BROAD LEAF Wolter, please email me....... tedzan11@comcast.net

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The T205 group of 32 subjects which conform to this A = B = C = D pattern were printed with 8 additional Tobacco backs. I think a total of 12
different backs may be the most printed on any T205 subject. I may be wrong with this observation and I expect you T205 gurus will chime in.
Feel free to correct me.
Check-list of the T205 backs for this group of 32 subjects...………...

AMERICAN BEAUTY (black print)
BROAD LEAF
CYCLE
DRUM
HASSAN (Factory #30)
HASSAN (Factory #649)
HONEST LONG CUT
PIEDMONT (Factory #25)
PIEDMONT (Factory #42)
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN
SWEET CAPORAL (red print)

And, just as in the T206 set, the T205 BROAD LEAF and DRUM and PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards are very tough to find.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Exactly 14 years ago this month, I broke up my variable-back T206 set (521 cards) to seek the ultimate T206 run of an all - PIEDMONT set.
PIEDMONT Mission accomplished just 11 months later, I then continued on an all - SOVEREIGN set. At the same time, I was also collecting
T206's for an all - SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set.

I completed the SOVEREIGN set (408 cards) in less than a year. The SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set took me 10 years to complete (468
cards) when I finally acquired the Eddie Plank card.

One nice feature which these 3 sets have in common, is you don't have to get the Demmitt and O'Hara (St Louis variations). Furthermore, the
Southern Leaguers were not printed with SOVEREIGN or this SWEET CAPORAL backs.

And, here is my favorite T206 card in each of these 3 sets..... WOW ! all three of these cards are graded. Ted has gone over to the "dark side"


PIEDMONT set




SOVEREIGN set





SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set





TED Z
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[JackW]

Awesome update, Ted.

You set the bar so high.

[Rhotchkiss]

Ted, I find that Piedmont and Sovereign 150s can tend to be off center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. But that Sweet Cap 150s (fact 30 or otherwise) do not suffer a similar fate. Thoughts?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ted, I find that Piedmont and Sovereign 150s can tend to be off center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. But that Sweet Cap 150s (fact 30 or otherwise) do not suffer a similar fate. Thoughts?

Happy New Year, Ryan

Your observation is correct. Especially, with certain PIEDMONT 150 cards. The Green Cobb is one of the best
examples of off-center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. Here is the Cobb in my PIEDMONT set...........

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TED Z
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[tedzan]

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I have identified a group of 36 subjects in the 350-only Series which are unique in this Series in that they share a common pattern. They were NOT PRINTED with
these four popular T206 backs....CAROLINA BRIGHTS, El PRINCIPE de GALES, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR. The majority (190 subjects) in the 350-only Series
were printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, DRUM backs. And, including the CB, EPDG, OM, and PB backs.

Although, this group of 36 subjects is printed with the A - B - C - D backs, unlike the other 350-only Series subjects, these cards will not be found with CB, EPDG,
OM, and PB backs
I find this quite interesting, in that it tells us that these 36 guys are sort of "exclusive" with respect to the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series. Furthermore,
it suggests that these 36 subjects were printed on a sheet of their own (composed of multiples of a 12 x 3 card format)….and, this press run was very early in the
game (circa Spring of 1910). I base this on my understanding that the CAROLINA BRIGHTS and POLAR BEAR backs were not printed until the Summer of 1910.

I'm sharing this information with you guys, who get a big kick out of putting together T206 runs. So you do not have to go off on a wild-goose chase searching for
certain cards that really do not exist.

Checklist of this "exclusive" group of 36 subjects that are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR backs.

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall

McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.

Note.....
In my rush to post this, I forgot to include in my original post here that the EPDG backs are also No-Prints within this group of 36.
EPDG has been included now.


TED Z
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[stutor]

Wow Ted. I’m always looking for patterns within the set to help me understand how everything fits together, and this is certainly a neat pattern that you have found. Thank you for sharing! It certainly seems that these 36 were printed, as you said, ‘exclusively’ of the others in the 190 card group.
How does this information fit with the ‘double name’ card of Rossman? Rossman is 350 only but does not belong in the 190 group because he isn’t available with the ABCD backs. However, there is a P350 ‘double name’ card of Rossman with McBride’s name at the top. One would think any double name card involving one of your 36 group would have BOTH players from the 36 grouping.
I hope my wording of all of that is somewhat coherent. I’d appreciate your thoughts. Thank you again for sharing the group of 36.

Sonny

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

My research has identified a group of 36 subjects in the 350-only Series which share this common pattern....they were NOT PRINTED with the normal
CAROLINA BRIGHTS or OLD MILL or POLAR BEAR backs (or any combination there of) like many of the other 350-only subjects were. The majority of
the T206 subjects (190) in the 350-only Series were printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, DRUM backs. Of which these 36 were also.

I find this quite interesting, in that it indicates that these 36 guys are sort of "exclusive" with respect to the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series.
Furthermore, it indicates to us that these 36 subjects were printed on a sheet of their own (composed of multiples of a 12 x 3 card format).

I am sharing this information with you guys, who get a big "kick" out of collecting T206 runs. So, you do not have to go off on a "wild-goose" chase
searching for certain cards that really do not exist.

Checklist of these 36 subjects which are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS - OLD MILL - POLAR BEAR backs.......

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall

McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.


TED Z
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Ted!! Your giving away some of our best secrets.



The T206 set is one of the most fun sets to research!! I'll have to compare this list with the Tolstoi's and their populations compared to others from the main print group.