Any One Collect Pins?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by hcv123

II wonder if these were printed over a couple of different years. Anyone know the printing and distribution story of these? Any other players with this type of variation?

The only similar ones I know of are Jose Cardenal, Burt Hooton, and Rick Monday of the Cubs, although one of the Hooton’s is misspelled Houton. The only teams that apparently had different pins of the the same players are the Cubs, Pirates, and Red Sox.

[Chris-Counts]

A black box button of Dick Allen with the Cardinals sold last week on eBay, so you can add that to the list. It also suggests the set came out earlier than 1972 since Allen only played with the Cardinals in 1970.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

A black box button of Dick Allen with the Cardinals sold last week on eBay, so you can add that to the list. It also suggests the set came out earlier than 1972 since Allen only played with the Cardinals in 1970.

Hmmm, the first Cardinal and a timeframe of 1970. These proofs of Yaz and Culp have a 1970 copyright so it's entirely possible that some were made in that year.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

The only similar ones I know of are Jose Cardenal, Burt Hooton, and Rick Monday of the Cubs, although one of the Hooton’s is misspelled Houton. The only teams that apparently had different pins of the the same players are the Cubs, Pirates, and Red Sox.

Very interesting - the images of the 3 players you show are the same image, just cropped very differently. Looking carefully at the 2 Clemente's - they ARE cropped ever so slightly differently!

With the 1970 Copyright date, I would say they have to have been done in 1970 - now the question is were they done again in years after? I don't know players playing years really well - Any team/player combo on the list that COULDN'T be from 1970?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by hcv123

With the 1970 Copyright date, I would say they have to have been done in 1970 - now the question is were they done again in years after? I don't know players playing years really well - Any team/player combo on the list that COULDN'T be from 1970?

The absence of Senators players would seem to mitigate against a 1970 date of issue, and the presence of the Rangers would indicate 1972 or later.

[Chris-Counts]

"Any team/player combo on the list that COULDN'T be from 1970"

Many of the players joined their teams after 1970, such as Dick Allen, who first played for the White Sox in 1972, and Rusty Staub, who joined the Mets the same year. Allen also has a button with the Cardinals. Frank Robinson didn't join the Angels until 1973.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

"Any team/player combo on the list that COULDN'T be from 1970"

Many of the players joined their teams after 1970, such as Dick Allen, who first played for the White Sox in 1972, and Rusty Staub, who joined the Mets the same year. Allen also has a button with the Cardinals. Frank Robinson didn't join the Angels until 1973.

I think my research on the Giants showed the Giants pins had to be 1972-73.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I think my research on the Giants showed the Giants pins had to be 1972-73.

Tom Bradley didn't become a Giant until 1973, so he has to be a 1973 issue. The photo for the Tom Bradley Giants pin was no doubt taken during 1973 spring training. I can't find it now (I wish I had taken a scan) but on my original search through WorthPoint looking for these black box pins I saw a pic of the Tom Bradley pin with the White Sox which in turn means that White Sox pin must be a 1972 issue. ETA, if the Giants pins were made in 1972 I would think there would be a Willie Mays. Even though he was traded in May of 1972, I can’t imagine that if they had a bunch of Mays Giants pins in production that they would then destroy all of them only because he was traded. Edited again: Uh oh, my own theory blew up in my face. Tom Bradley was traded FOR Ken Henderson in November 1972, so the Henderson Giants pin can only be a 1972 issue. Maybe the SAN FRANCISCO pins are 1972, and the SAN FRAN. pins are 1973 ?

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Tom Bradley didn't become a Giant until 1973, so he has to be a 1973 issue. The photo for the Tom Bradley Giants pin was no doubt taken during 1973 spring training. I can't find it now (I wish I had taken a scan) but on my original search through WorthPoint looking for these black box pins I saw a pic of the Tom Bradley pin with the White Sox which in turn means that White Sox pin must be a 1972 issue. ETA, if the Giants pins were made in 1972 I would think there would be a Willie Mays. Even though he was traded in May of 1972, I can’t imagine that if they had a bunch of Mays Giants pins in production that they would then destroy all of them only because he was traded. Edited again: Uh oh, my own theory blew up in my face. Tom Bradley was traded FOR Ken Henderson in November 1972, so the Henderson Giants pin can only be a 1972 issue.

The Ron Santo White Sox pin had to be made in 1974 as he was still with the Cubs in 1973. There has to be others that were made as late as 74 but unless they changed teams it impossible to tell

[MK]

Was this one on the list? BTW he wasn’t in the majors until 1975.