Who will be selected to the MLB HOF next Tuesday

the 'stache · #1 01-21-2020, 04:34 PM

Walker was playing at an All Star, near-MVP level before he ever got to Colorado. Funny how people fail to see that, as it doesn't fit with the whole "Coors made Walker" line of thought.

In 1992, Walker finished 5th in the MVP while an Expo (something Jeter did 3 times in 20 years), hitting .301 with 23 HR and 93 RBI, slashing .353 OBP/.506 SLG/.859 OPS. That was good for a 141 OPS+ in a down year for hitting. He won a Gold Glove and Silver Slugger.

In 1994, his last year in Montreal, the strike shortened season where the Expos were 74-40, and robbed of a chance to play in the World Series, Walker was magnificent. .322 AVG, 44 doubles, 19 HR, 86 RBI, .394 OBP/.587 SLG/.981 SLG, 151 OPS+. Walker was worth 4.7 bWAR in '94. If Montreal had played in all 162 games, at that rate, Walker's WAR would have been 6.7. A 7.0 WAR is considered near-MVP caliber.

Walker's best WAR by season, with that adjustment:

1997 9.8 MVP
2001 7.8 24th in the MVP (LOL at that)
1994 6.7
2002 6.1
1998 5.7
1992 5.4
1999 5.1

Look at his Hall of Fame Statistics:

Black Ink, which awards points for leading the league in offensive categories, is a bit low. Ok. I would point out that Derek Jeter's Black Ink score is 10.

Gray Ink counts top ten appearances. His score would be a little lower as he didn't play nearly as long as many Hall of Famers.

Hall of Fame Monitor and Batting Standards he is way over the Hall of Fame threshold.

And JAWS? There are 26 Hall of Fame right fielders. Walker ranks tenth in JAWS. He's behind Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, Mel Ott, Frank Robinson, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline, Reggie Jackson and Harry Heilmann.

That's some select company.

And look at his similarity scores.

Duke Snider, Joe DiMaggio, Johnny Mize, Vladimir Guerrero and Chuck Klein. Are you kidding me?

How can Walker not be a Hall of Famer?

bnorth · #2 01-21-2020, 04:42 PM

OK Bill you convinced me Larry Walker should be in the tourist trap built for the sole purpose to attract visitors to a town. Now if you could just convince the voters that put people into that tourist attraction.

the 'stache · #3 01-21-2020, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

OK Bill you convinced me Larry Walker should be in the tourist trap built for the sole purpose to attract visitors to a town. Now if you could just convince the voters that put people into that tourist attraction.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the final vote. Honestly, I'm surprised Walker has come to the final ballot. I might be giving the voters too much credit, though.

But what do I know? I'm still miffed that Dick Allen isn't in the Hall. He doesn't have the counting stats of a guy that played for two decades. And I know he was frigid with the media, and that creates backlash. And he wasn't a terribly good fielder. But he could absolutely mash.

When you've had a career of 1,759 games, and your career OPS+ is the same as Willie Mays and Frank Thomas, one point better than Hank Aaron, Joe DiMaggio and Mel Ott, and two points better than Manny Ramirez (with the steroids!) and Frank Robinson--how the heck are you kept out?

He's got the 19th highest OPS+ in baseball history.

1952boyntoncollector · #4 01-21-2020, 05:30 PM

well he is in now..76 percent of vote..needed 75..

so he got in.....real good player....with harold baines there...makes sense for what their voters would do i guess... i wouldnt want baines in there..but i agree Walker is better than baines HOF wise for me

now its curt schlling's turn..

cardsagain74 · #5 01-21-2020, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well he is in now..76 percent of vote..needed 75..

so he got in.....real good player....with harold baines there...makes sense for what their voters would do i guess... i wouldnt want baines in there..but i agree Walker is better than baines HOF wise for me

now its curt schlling's turn..

Oh god....don't even get us started on Harold Baines.

There should be shame in the fame for something that lame.

packs · #6 01-21-2020, 06:09 PM

Congrats to Larry!

I still don�t think Schilling gets in. Next year is the year if he�s going to do it. Pretty weak field. But don�t see him overcoming his personality.

dgo71 · #7 01-21-2020, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I still don�t think Schilling gets in. Next year is the year if he�s going to do it. Pretty weak field. But don�t see him overcoming his personality.

He gained 9.1% of the vote this year and needs only 5% of the vote next year. With no slam dunk candidates entering the ballot in 2021 you can pencil Schilling in now as a sure-fire Hall of Famer. I definitely see the case against him but barring a Twitter implosion over the next 12 months I don't see a scenario that he doesn't get in.

the 'stache · #8 01-22-2020, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well he is in now..76 percent of vote..needed 75..

so he got in.....real good player....with harold baines there...makes sense for what their voters would do i guess... i wouldnt want baines in there..but i agree Walker is better than baines HOF wise for me

now its curt schlling's turn..

Harold Baines doesn't even belong in the same breath as Larry Walker. Completely inappropriate comparison.

Baines 38.7 bWAR in 2,830 games. He accrued 1 WAR every 73.82 games.
Walker 72.7 bWAR in 1,988 games. He accrued 1 WAR every 27.34 games.

Baines doesn't deserve in the Hall of Fame. Walker clearly does.

Jim65 · #9 01-22-2020, 06:17 AM

Todd Helton fans are doing cartwheels today.

1952boyntoncollector · #10 01-22-2020, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache

Harold Baines doesn't even belong in the same breath as Larry Walker. Completely inappropriate comparison.

Baines 38.7 bWAR in 2,830 games. He accrued 1 WAR every 73.82 games.
Walker 72.7 bWAR in 1,988 games. He accrued 1 WAR every 27.34 games.

Baines doesn't deserve in the Hall of Fame. Walker clearly does.

i said Baines is not as good as Walker so we are in agreement on that

However, Walker is a HOF and so is Baines.......

there should be a separate wing for first ballot HOFs..perhaps there is? I never been there

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