Jeter - minus 1? WTF??

GeoPoto · #1 01-23-2020, 07:12 AM

I think everybody thought that went away when Rivera got 100%. But it is his (or her) vote and they don't have to explain it. Maybe he didn't want to "waste" it on a foregone conclusion, since everybody had decided Jeter couldn't miss before the vote. There are arguably 10 other deserving candidates on the ballot. Maybe tragedy intervened. We do have human voters.

packs · #2 01-23-2020, 08:06 AM

I think the conversation should start with WHY JETER? Mariano Rivera was maybe the greatest inning per inning pitcher of all time. There has never been another one like him and there probably won't be again. Jeter is a HOF player but he's not more than that. I don't think he was ever really considered the best shortstop in baseball at any one point in his career. Knowing that, how can there be so much support for 100% induction?

Snapolit1 · #3 01-23-2020, 08:07 AM

Typical Yankee fan response:

I'm outraged that Jeter didn't get 100% of the votes.

Who is Larry Walker?

-----------------------

From 538.com:

Still, in some ways, Jeter would have been a curious choice to become the Hall of Fame’s first unanimous position player. He never won an MVP award, though he had eight top-10 finishes. He never led the league in batting, on-base percentage, slugging or WAR in any of his 20 seasons. He was named AL Player of the Month only once (August 1998). He ranks 88th all-time in WAR.

Jeter’s game also had a glaring weakness: He had a suspect glove. His five Gold Gloves were likely based more on reputation than skill, according to metrics that have long regarded Jeter as a poor defender. Jeter has the worst Defensive Runs Saved total (-152) since the stat was first recorded in 2003. The stat measures a defender’s ability to convert batted balls to outs relative to his positional peers. Had he played in today’s game, Jeter might very well have been moved off of shortstop. Yet Jeter played all 23,225 2/3 of his career innings in the field at one of the game’s most demanding defensive positions.

Bpm0014 · #4 01-23-2020, 08:11 AM

Jeter is clearly overrated, people thinking he deserved a higher HOF percentage than Ruth, Mays et al.

Spot on

maddux31 · #5 01-23-2020, 10:00 AM

I always hoped that Greg Maddux would get the first unanimous call to the hall, then a voter with asinine reasoning stepped in.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-of-fame-vote

maniac_73 · #6 01-23-2020, 10:08 AM

This whole unanimous thing has become nuts. Like others have said if Ruth and Aaron weren't unanimous, why would Jeter be? HOF caliber player but if he played his career in Atlanta unanimous wouldn't even be in the convo.

bnorth · #7 01-23-2020, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddux31

I always hoped that Greg Maddux would get the first unanimous call to the hall, then a voter with asinine reasoning stepped in.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-of-fame-vote

Jeter not getting 100% of the vote is silly. Just like many many before him should have got 100%.

Orioles1954 · #8 01-23-2020, 11:31 AM

Who cares? He's in. Bitching for the sake of bitching.

pokerplyr80 · #9 01-24-2020, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

I think everybody thought that went away when Rivera got 100%. But it is his (or her) vote and they don't have to explain it. Maybe he didn't want to "waste" it on a foregone conclusion, since everybody had decided Jeter couldn't miss before the vote. There are arguably 10 other deserving candidates on the ballot. Maybe tragedy intervened. We do have human voters.

This is the one argument against voting for an obvious choice that should have been unanimous I have heard over the years that makes sense to me.

The guys who just don't think anyone deserves 100% of the vote should not be allowed to vote at all. It was just as ridiculous when Babe Ruth was left off some ballots as it has been with most other first ballot HOFers.

drcy · #10 01-24-2020, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This is the one argument against voting for an obvious choice that should have been unanimous I have heard over the years that makes sense to me.

The guys who just don't think anyone deserves 100% of the vote should not be allowed to vote at all. It was just as ridiculous when Babe Ruth was left off some ballots as it has been with most other first ballot HOFers.

If votes are supposed to be preordained and people will be booted off and pitchforks taken up because they vote differently on issues, there shouldn't be votes. Apparently, some people think voting means you get to choose between Yes and Yes.

I am in general suspicious of unanimous votes, because it often indicates groupthink and a lot of yes men.

Besides, as far as HOF enshrinement goes, the induction percentage is just trivial trivia. As DiMaggio and Jimmy Foxx demonstrate, it's not an indication of anything significant. No one, including here, looks at induction percentages when ranking Pre-War players. No one anywhere says Robin Yount is better than Joe DiMaggio (And I say that as a Robin Yount fan).

perezfan · #11 01-24-2020, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drcy

If votes are supposed to be preordained and people will be booted off and pitchforks taken up because they vote differently on issues, there shouldn't be votes. Apparently, some people think voting means you get to choose between Yes and Yes.

I am in general suspicious of unanimous votes, because it often indicates groupthink and a lot of yes men.

Besides, as far as HOF enshrinement goes, the induction percentage is just trivial trivia. As DiMaggio and Jimmy Foxx demonstrate, it's not an indication of anything significant. No one, including here, looks at induction percentages when ranking Pre-War players. No one anywhere says Robin Yount is better than Joe DiMaggio (And I say that as a Robin Yount fan).

Great post right there....

Again... Jeter got the highest-ever percentage of votes for any position player in the history of baseball.

So in the immortal words of Chrissie Hynde�. Stop Your Sobbing!

Huysmans · #12 01-24-2020, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perezfan

Great post right there....

Again... Jeter got the highest-ever percentage of votes for any position player in the history of baseball.

So in the immortal words of Chrissie Hynde�. Stop Your Sobbing!

I agree Mark, David's post was the most salient thus far.
And to touch on your thoughts, ONLY in this modern society do you find people actually getting what they want, and STILL whining and complaining!
... it's pathetic really.

So no need for any Holy Commotions or to add any Middle of the Road comments. Maybe if these Bad Boys get Spanked for whining about a single Precious vote, or they were put Back on the Chain Gang, they would change their tune. Buck up naysayers, you still have Brass in Pocket.
Goodbye

rats60 · #13 01-24-2020, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perezfan

Great post right there....

Again... Jeter got the highest-ever percentage of votes for any position player in the history of baseball.

So in the immortal words of Chrissie Hynde�. Stop Your Sobbing!

Ray Davies not Chrissie Hynde.

timzcardz · #14 01-24-2020, 12:48 PM

First, Jeter is 100% a Hall of Famer. Pretty sure that there are no partials.

Now, has anyone here never made a mistake on a form by not checking off the correct box, or forgetting to check one off?

Could it be a case of simple human error?

There is always the possibility that the voter intended to vote for Jeter and screwed up.

HRBAKER · #15 01-24-2020, 01:08 PM

I'm still too distraught over Harry and Meghan to worry about this.

drcy · #16 01-24-2020, 01:10 PM

When my dad was a professor, a student came into his office worried she was going to get a B, because she was a 4.0 student who had never gotten anything below an A.

He said "Getting a B is good for you. Getting all A's is not good for a student."

doug.goodman · #17 01-24-2020, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rats60

Ray Davies not Chrissie Hynde.

Ray wrote it, the Kinks originally played it, Chrissie made it famous...

perezfan · #18 01-26-2020, 01:56 PM

Ah yes, the great Ray Davies... Such a marvelous and underrated band, The Kinks.

But if I didn't use Chrissie, we wouldn't have gotten the very clever Pretenders post (#40 in the thread) from Brent!

Somewhat ironically, both The Pretenders and The Kinks are in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. I wonder if anyone in that particular Hall of Fame missed being unanimous by a single vote? Now if that happened to The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, or Rolling Stones, we would have a real problem!

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
FS: 1984 U. Minnesota Hockey Set (Minus Hull)	shagrotn77	Basketball / Cricket / Tennis Cards Forum	2	07-22-2018 05:45 PM
LTB: 1963 Near Topps set minus Rose	bbcard1	1960-1979 Baseball Cards B/S/T	1	05-15-2017 07:26 AM
FS: '83 Donruss Complete Set - Minus 4 - SOLD	Robextend	1980 & Newer Sports Cards B/S/T	0	03-08-2013 10:08 AM
FS/FT: 1961 Topps Baseball set (minus 4)	vintagetoppsguy	1950 to 1959 Baseball cards- B/S/T	9	11-29-2011 01:25 PM
VCBC Collection 1 - 24 (minus 4) For Sale!!!	Archive	Baseball Memorabilia B/S/T	0	02-23-2006 06:04 PM