T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Very nice American Beauty 460 cards everyone!! I have only 10 of them so I can't say they are currently my favorite card back run. Maybe one day when I have 60+ of them, I'll have to revise this.

So currently my favorite run is my complete 28 card Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Prints". I had a lot of fun with these, especially when I was searching for them before they were even known to others. I was able to break down the Print Group 3 cards into groups and had a checklist before I even found the first one. I just knew with the quantity that were made, there was a chance that some of the cards may have missed their overprint and began searching for them nearly 10 years ago.

I found my first 2 cards in April 2014. Once that happened, I knew my chances of finding more was just a matter of time. In June of 2015, an eBay seller started auctioning off about 10 singles per week. Each week there were a few cards that were part of this 28 card set. The auctions went unnoticed for a few weeks until a Net54 member questioned the auctions. Once that happened, nearly every T206 collector on Net54 was either talking about them, watching them or bidding on them. Luckily there were only a few willing to bid up and pay the high prices. I did have an advantage over others because me and one other buyer were splitting up the bidding on the cards so we were never bidding against each other. I always had first dibs on the cards, so I would bid on the new cards I didn't have. The seconds went to my friend, and any duplicates after that were mine to bid on. This went on over a 10 month period until all were auctioned off. A total of 107 "No Print" cards were auctioned by this one seller. I won 54 of them. Even with half of them in my possession, I only had 27 different cards. I was still missing one. But I still had an advantage. I was the only one that had the checklist, so I knew who to look for. The last card, LaJoie Batting, was found in July 2017. Shortly after that, my friend that was splitting the bids with me, sold his partial set to David Hall and with my permission, shared my checklist of the 28 cards which I started to share after I found the last card I needed.

For this post, I decided to scan my complete set and share it for the first time here. Most of the cards were still in their original holders right before the scanning of them just now. The only cards I would usually share scans of before this, were the Cobb and the LaJoie. Currently, this is the only known complete 28 card (Teds Group B) set, since only one LaJoie has been found so far. The other 27 cards are known to have anywhere between 2 and 8 of the same card. I'm sure at some point, some more will surface and possibly a second set will be assembled.

At some point, I'd like to attempt collecting the 29 card (29/35 Teds Group A) "Sister" set of this. Many know them as the Yellow/Brown Scraps. They are also technically "No Prints" that are also missing the Overprint. There are also the additional 6 "Super Prints" (6/35 Teds Group A) that I like to call Group C, since I had them separate from the others when I made my checklists back in early 2011.

Hi Ron

A really great story of acquiring these 28 "Not Issued" cards (as I prefer to refer to these 28, and the other 35 cards in the 350/460 Series with SWEET CAP, Factory #30 backs).
Thanks for sharing your story with us, and all these great-looking cards.

And yes, these 28 subjects represent the 350/460 Series component of my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 set.

The other 46 subjects with the AB 460 backs are from the 460-only Series.

I love all this stuff....I find it very interesting how all these factors fit together like a "T206 puzzle".


TED Z
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[Rhotchkiss]

Right now, I am into Brown Old Mills -- probably the smallest back-sub-set, but likely the most difficult to complete

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Right now, I am into Brown Old Mills -- probably the smallest back-sub-set, but likely the most difficult to complete

Incredible cards Ryan!! I'd say they are one of the most difficult subsets. Especially when unique new discovery cards can show up at any time.

[tedzan]

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I'm including Gandil here with some of the tougher AB 460 cards, even though he is in the Exclusive 12 group which are more available than all the other 62 subjects
with the AB 460 backs. Gandil has a following with many collectors who collect "Black Sox" players. Therefore, because of this demand, Gandil's cards are quite tough
to find.










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LOOKING for one more T206 card to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)..... A $100 reward to anyone who finds an AB 460 of this Camnitz for my set


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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In Post #920, I alluded to American Litho possibly having printed the AB 460 cards in 3 separate stages. I base this theory on my experiences acquiring the 73 (of 74)
AB 460 cards in the course of 15 years.

Furthermore in recent years, I provided David Hall with 14 of the tough AB 460 cards to complete this run in his master T206 set. This factor reinforced my knowledge
of what AB 460 cards are really scarce.....and, which cards are moderately tough to find.

The following three lists are the results of the above two factors......

Scarce AB 460 cards

Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Chance (batting)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Crawford (with bat)
L. Doyle (portrait)
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand at waist)
Jennings (one hand)
Lajoie (bat)
Leifield (batting)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murray (portrait)
Payne

Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker(bat off shoulder)
Tinker(bat on shoulder)
H. Wagner (bat right shoulder)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)



Moderately rare AB 460 cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (hands in air)
Bradley (bat)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Burch (fielding)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Conroy (bat)
Frill
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Leach (cap)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)

Overall (blue sky)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Wiltse (pitching)

Exclusive 12....easiest AB 460 cards to find

Crandall (cap)
Devore
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Hummel
McGraw (glove at hip)
Pfeffer
Sheckard (glove)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Wheat

Illustrated here is my concept of an Exclusive 12 printed sheet....based on American Litho's 19" wide press.
And, a standard size 19" x 24" cardboard sheet.

.. v ............................................ 19" x 24" sheet .............................................v



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LOOKING for one more T206 card to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)..... A $100 reward to anyone who finds an AB 460 of this Camnitz for my set


TED Z
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[RCMcKenzie]

I had a Fred Payne AB460, but traded it away for a bunch of T205's. I have too many projects going, and AB460 looks like a long slog. I am still gradually working on Cycle460, but there is a lot of competition on those too.

Here's another Howell port. Neat touch I thought of signed provenance card...

[t206kid]

I have 30/74 on the AB460 subset. It’s sort of hot and cold since they don’t come up too often.

Nice job on that scarcity list. I pretty much agree across the board

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I had a Fred Payne AB460, but traded it away for a bunch of T205's. I have too many projects going, and AB460 looks like a long slog. I am still gradually working on Cycle460, but there is a lot of competition on those too.

Here's another Howell port. Neat touch I thought of signed provenance card...

Rob

Gee, had I known you had an AB 460 Payne to trade, I would have given you a bunch of T205's (or whatever) for Payne.
For at least 10 years now, I've tried to replace the beat-up Payne in my AB 460 set, but could not find one.


TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ron

A really great story of acquiring these 28 "Not Issued" cards (as I prefer to refer to these 28, and the other 35 cards in the 350/460 Series with SWEET CAP, Factory #30 backs).
Thanks for sharing your story with us, and all these great-looking cards.

And yes, these 28 subjects represent the 350/460 Series component of my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 set.

The other 46 subjects with the AB 460 backs are from the 460-only Series.

I love all this stuff....I find it very interesting how all these factors fit together like a "T206 puzzle".


TED Z
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T206's are one of the best puzzles ever invented!! And they have neat baseball players on them.