Any One Collect Pins?

ooo-ribay · #1 02-24-2020, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

Regarding the white pin with walking bum to the left of the large blue one in the middle. I think that might be a Continental Football League pin. That guy was widely used by the football Dodgers of the mid 1960s.

Did the baseball Dodgers use this bum as well?

Attachment 386734

The baseball Dodgers used him first. An apt nickname.

Fballguy · #2 02-24-2020, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The baseball Dodgers used him first. An apt nickname.

Yep...But did they use this particular rendering of him. The football Dodgers used him on programs, tickets and pennants. I'd think it would be odd for a football team to use a pre-existing mascot from an unrelated baseball team.

Misc Brooklyn Dodgers.jpg

ooo-ribay · #3 02-24-2020, 05:39 PM

I would think the FB team just added the ball, but what do I know?

71buc · #4 03-10-2020, 02:40 AM

This is probably only of interest to me but no one in my social circle would really give a damn. They are certain I'm a loon for loving this stuff so much. Nonetheless, bear with me. I picked up this pin a few years ago. I have never seen another example. There was no way I could be certain it was related to the 1971 team. I actually suspected it was a 1979 pin because the color scheme was so different than other pins attributed to the 1971 team. Today I was flipping through a 1970 Pittsburgh Post Gazette newspaper supplement celebrating the opening of Three Rivers and there was a picture of this pin. It's the little things in life that serve to make loons like me happy

ooo-ribay · #5 03-10-2020, 07:43 AM

^^^^ For sure, Mike! It’s all about unraveling the mysteries. Was that an ad for the bank or an offer for the pin?

Edit: but, crap, wouldn’t that make it a 1970 pin with a World Series just wishful thinking?

71buc · #6 03-10-2020, 09:18 AM

Hi Rob, it was an ad for a mall and a wish for a 1970 World Series.

docpatlv · #7 03-10-2020, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 71buc

This is probably only of interest to me but no one in my social circle would really give a damn. They are certain I'm a loon for loving this stuff so much. Nonetheless, bear with me. I picked up this pin a few years ago. I have never seen another example. There was no way I could be certain it was related to the 1971 team. I actually suspected it was a 1979 pin because the color scheme was so different than other pins attributed to the 1971 team. Today I was flipping through a 1970 Pittsburgh Post Gazette newspaper supplement celebrating the opening of Three Rivers and there was a picture of this pin. It's the little things in life that serve to make loons like me happy

Good for you Mike, glad it turned out to be from 1971. Have never seen it before.

batsballsbases · #8 03-10-2020, 06:38 PM

Great work Mike I have had that pin also for a long time and always wondered about it! Nice Job.. Here is mine

icollectDCsports · #9 03-10-2020, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 71buc

It's the little things in life that serve to make loons like me happy

Don't be so hard on yourself. It makes me happy and I don't even own one. Haha.

71buc · #10 03-10-2020, 10:54 PM

Thanks Al. Your pin is only the second I have ever seen. Then again it might be an issue of location rather than rarity as i am in the Northwest.

ooo-ribay · #11 03-12-2020, 07:41 AM

In another thread, perezfan (Mark) asked for opinions on the "legitimacy" of a Jim Brown pin he had recently purchased. The pin basically had never been seen before, except when it was sold previously in another auction. The consensus was the pin was questionable. I personally think the pin is probably vintage but was home made.

It got me to thinking about how we decide if a pin is or is not "real." One strike against Mark's pin was that no one had seen another. OK...but I have been searching 25 years for a PM-10 I have seen exactly once. It is a Billy Pierce SF PM-10. Almost never seen, but everyone agrees it's "real." Another pin I've seen once yet is unquestionably real is a Hoyt Wilhelm HOF pin. There is another SF Giant PM-10 my buddy swears he saw on a lady's hat, even though no other Giants collector ever knew of it's existence. I believe Al has a few PM-10's (e.g. Wes Westrum), where his are the only ones known to exist yet are unquestionably real.

So, scarcity does not necessarily = fake. Even with the super-plentiful PM-10's (e.g. many variations of Willie Mays) we, in most cases, do not know who actually made the pin. Between the early 1900's paper back labels and the 1970's maker's name on the curl, most "real" pinbacks have no manufacturer's name. For all we know, they were made in somebody's basement. And, what if a guy working in a pin factory decided to quickly make 10 pins of his favorite player, while he was cranking out Mays pins. Are his 10 real or fake?

For the past 45 years, you could buy badge making machines from this company:

https://www.badgeaminit.com/

I would assume there were other pin making machines, prior to that. And even if you couldn't make pins at home, I would imagine a person could have a limited number of custom pins made in the 40s. 50's and 60's. Things like "Happy Retirement Bob!." Attached are a couple of Mays pins I have seen once and are not part of a particular "series". I think the color one is in andypcl's collection. Are these real or fake? If I had a chance to buy either, I probably would. My point is, licensing was different back in those days and I would doubt all, if any, of our known, "real" pins were licensed. So, if a guy decides to make 50 pins to sell outside a stadium in 1965 are those "real" or "fake"? Maybe some guy sold some Jim Browns outside of Cleveland Municipal Stadium? How do we, in the hobby, classify those pins? I'm not expressing myself all that well...I've been up since my dog threw up an hour ago....but hopefully you guys understand what I'm saying and will maybe chime in.

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