Another one for Al & the Pinback Guys...

[perezfan]

Thanks for finding/posting that... I've heard the term "celluloid" many times, but never really had a grasp of what the material was. It must date all the way back to the turn of the century... right?

BTW, Erik kindly and promptly issued me a full refund as soon as I expressed my concerns. Very courteous and effortless. He provided some pretty decent rationale for the Pin being authentic, but I would not have felt completely comfortable with it, based on the feedback here (and in another forum).

It may just be one of those items that forever remains a mystery.

[ooo-ribay]

Good for Eric! Customer service like that will ensure a long run as ebay's #1 seller of pinbacks.

I have thoughts on what makes a pin "real." I'm going to post in the other pin thread, even though most of the "usual (pin) suspects" chimed in on this one.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Thanks for finding/posting that... I've heard the term "celluloid" many times, but never really had a grasp of what the material was. It must date all the way back to the turn of the century... right?

BTW, Erik kindly and promptly issued me a full refund as soon as I expressed my concerns. Very courteous and effortless. He provided some pretty decent rationale for the Pin being authentic, but I would not have felt completely comfortable with it, based on the feedback here (and in another forum).

It may just be one of those items that forever remains a mystery.

Mark,
Im glad it worked out. Like I said Eric is a good businessman and stands behind his items. Good for him... I would love to know his rationale for the pin being authentic.... Maybe a PM

[MK]

In case you didn’t notice, the Brown pin is back up for sale on eBay.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by MK

In case you didn’t notice, the Brown pin is back up for sale on eBay.

Mike,
Without a valid response from Eric I will have to call that the P.T Barnum theory. "There is a sucker born every minute"

[Exhibitman]

I collect Brown stuff and saw that pin, but passed. It is definitely not authentic from the date listed. The photo used is from a 1964 team photo shoot. Here is a team issue from that shoot:



It has been widely reprinted and was also used to create a press release for the Pro Bowl that year.

So the pin is an anachronism in terms of advertised date.

Now, as to the design, the 3" safety pin format was not used during Brown's career.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I collect Brown stuff and saw that pin, but passed. It is definitely not authentic from the date listed. The photo used is from a 1964 team photo shoot. Here is a team issue from that shoot:



It has been widely reprinted and was also used to create a press release for the Pro Bowl that year.

So the pin is an anachronism in terms of advertised date.

Now, as to the design, the 3" safety pin format was not used during Brown's career.

Thanks Adam I knew I had seen the photo before now we know where the pin picture came from.. I have a feeling that pic was used on other items...

[perezfan]

Nice sleuthing Adam! Small chance still that it could still be "vintage", but definitely not as early as stated.

Thanks for posting that pic!