Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

And you would be held responsible too and fired. End of discussion.

You're missing the point..

Of course people at all levels will be held responsible and there will be blame passed to them, but at the end of the day, the guy at the top is in charge and takes responsibility for his actions (or inactions) that allowed this to happen.

Did everyone see this coming? No. Was this completely unavoidable? No. There are questions that people rightfully have that our leaders will need to answer to understand why this happened and how to prevent it from happening again. Donald Trump said that I will be able to go to a packed church on Easter, now he says I need to stay inside for another month. He was obviously wrong, he messed up. What happened? Did he not listen to his advisors? Has he been hiring the wrong people? Has he been working off of bad information? Was he just trying to be optimistic? This is a small example of the hundreds (if not thousands) of mistakes he has made over the past couple months regarding this pandemic. He needs to take responsibility for them and explain why he keeps getting it wrong.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

You're missing the point..

Of course people at all levels will be held responsible and there will be blame passed to them, but at the end of the day, the guy at the top is in charge and takes responsibility for his actions (or inactions) that allowed this to happen.

Did everyone see this coming? No. Was this completely unavoidable? No. There are questions that people rightfully have that our leaders will need to answer to understand why this happened and how to prevent it from happening again. Donald Trump said that I will be able to go to a packed church on Easter, now he says I need to stay inside for another month. He was obviously wrong, he messed up. What happened? Did he not listen to his advisors? Has he been hiring the wrong people? Has he been working off of bad information? Was he just trying to be optimistic? This is a small example of the hundreds (if not thousands) of mistakes he has made over the past couple months regarding this pandemic. He needs to take responsibility for them and explain why he keeps getting it wrong.

I think without being political there are some things that everyone gets wrong. I am sure there are fields of science or other area where there is a clear leader of the field. If that leader makes a decision that later looks wrong but every other leader in the field agreed with their decision at the time, i think you got cut some slack. Also if 50 say one thing and 50 say another. You are only going to be 50 percent right and how can you blame someone if it turns out wrong when the decision was based on 50/50 leader of the field intel.

Not saying applies in any specific case, but it appears some people think that if someone was wrong they should get fired etc.....decisions are not made in a vacuum..

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Not saying applies in any specific case, but it appears some people think that if someone was wrong they should get fired etc.....decisions are not made in a vacuum..

When someone is more focused on how the stock market is reacting and directly contradicts actual disease experts, there is a case to be made that decisions are being made in a vacuum.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

When someone is more focused on how the stock market is reacting and directly contradicts actual disease experts, there is a case to be made that decisions are being made in a vacuum.

Not sure thats apples to apples, he mentions loss of life is important too just as he states what happened in the market.....theres no narrative there unless someone wants to force a narrative

as to contradicting actual disease experts, what exactly does contradict mean, actions are different than words. The experts say varying things and to be flexible..i dont think they said do exactly this or else..

Also it has been said if you are the leader the buck stops with you. So if you listen 100% to what leading experts say and they are wrong, then you will get fired for being wrong (hiring the wrong guys etc) Its already been established on this thread that if you are wrong you are fired..

I not for or against the guy, but throwing around generalities whether its pro democrat or pro republican doesnt do any good imo..

[Republicaninmass]

Well a card came up last night listed by PWCC I've had on my want list forever. Needless to say, I didnt bid! It wasnt do to the market madness, but my own morals. Doubt he is missing my revenue, but this is one person that wont be shilling up, or selling a doctored card to.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Not sure thats apples to apples, he mentions loss of life is important too just as he states what happened in the market.....theres no narrative there unless someone wants to force a narrative

That is a nice bit of equivocation. He didn't ever mention the loss of life until it was blatantly obvious that the loss of life will be substantial. There is plenty of ink out there regarding the President's early (non)reactions to the virus. But, here are two of my favorites:

February 24: The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me! (Note on 2/24, the DJIA closed at 27,938. Today closed at 20,910.)

February 26:And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.

as to contradicting actual disease experts, what exactly does contradict mean, actions are different than words. The experts say varying things and to be flexible..i dont think they said do exactly this or else..

I am referring specifically to his pushing of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as some kind of miracle cure, when there is absolutely no evidence it works. Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial and azithromycin is an antibiotic. Neither are anti-virals. Now, it is entirely possible that they may work. After all, rogaine started out as a blood pressure medicine. However, there has been no clinical trials and the two most publicized studies of their use have such huge procedural flaws that it is impossible to draw any scientifically sound conclusions from them. And I've heard no responsible doctor or relevant scientist say otherwise.

Also it has been said if you are the leader the buck stops with you. So if you listen 100% to what leading experts say and they are wrong, then you will get fired for being wrong (hiring the wrong guys etc) Its already been established on this thread that if you are wrong you are fired..

Come on now. Are you really trying to suggest that Trump was listening to experts all along? I've seen plenty of experts talk about this (I have a friend and a brother-in-law who are both virologists) and all of them were sounding the alarm. Heck, even the political class was sounding the alarm. On February 4, Chris Murphy, a senator from Connecticut said the following: "Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough. Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now."

I not for or against the guy, but throwing around generalities whether its pro democrat or pro republican doesnt do any good imo..

You'll have to point out for me where I made any comment about anyone political affiliation. Noting gross incompetence isn't political.

[mq711]

I start a post about Carl Hubbell and it gets “watercoolered” in a day and this political crap is allowed to continue, what gives?

[Touch'EmAll]

Anyone notice - Saw interesting blip: Mark Cuban won't say if he'll run for President, but notes the "door is wide open." He is young, he is energetic, he is a top businessman, he is a go-getter. Appears he has long range vision for what's honestly best for America. He isn't stuck in the political Democrat vs. Republican thing. Trump, Biden, I just kinda roll my eyes. I would vote for Mark Cuban in a heartbeat.

Now back to original post - Stock market affect cards. Today the DOW got crushed, and probably be even worse by Friday. Weekly unemployment figures come out I think tomorrow - will be really bad. Anyway, I have a few cards up on ebay (1959 Aaron PSA 8, 1965 Aaron PSA 7 & 1970 Ryan PSA 8) that close in couple days and the views/bids/watchers seem quite strong, really curious how they end up, fingers crossed. Will let you know how they do. Anyone else have cards closing last few days or in the next week?

[Dpeck100]

There were 25 PSA graded 1982 Wrestling All Stars Series A that sold overnight at strong prices.

I get it people should supposedly not be spending but so far they are.

The market knows this Friday there is going to be 3 million plus apply for unemployment benefits.

100backstroke I sold three of four lots listed Sunday at strong prices and one of the buyers requested another card through EBAY and I sold that card too that I had not planned on at a great price.

I remain convinced people want the cards.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Anyone notice - Saw interesting blip: Mark Cuban won't say if he'll run for President, but notes the "door is wide open." He is young, he is energetic, he is a top businessman, he is a go-getter. Appears he has long range vision for what's honestly best for America. He isn't stuck in the political Democrat vs. Republican thing. Trump, Biden, I just kinda roll my eyes. I would vote for Mark Cuban in a heartbeat.

Now back to original post - Stock market affect cards. Today the DOW got crushed, and probably be even worse by Friday. Weekly unemployment figures come out I think tomorrow - will be really bad. Anyway, I have a few cards up on ebay (1959 Aaron PSA 8, 1965 Aaron PSA 7 & 1970 Ryan PSA 8) that close in couple days and the views/bids/watchers seem quite strong, really curious how they end up, fingers crossed. Will let you know how they do. Anyone else have cards closing last few days or in the next week?

if everyone knows the market will get crushed why not buy a short in a dow index fund....if so easy....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

That is a nice bit of equivocation. He didn't ever mention the loss of life until it was blatantly obvious that the loss of life will be substantial. There is plenty of ink out there regarding the President's early (non)reactions to the virus. But, here are two of my favorites:
February 26:And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.


I am referring specifically to his pushing of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as some kind of miracle cure, when there is absolutely no evidence it works. Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial and azithromycin is an antibiotic. Neither are anti-virals. Now, it is entirely possible that they may work. After all, rogaine started out as a blood pressure medicine. However, there has been no clinical trials and the two most publicized studies of their use have such huge procedural flaws that it is impossible to draw any scientifically sound conclusions from them. And I've heard no responsible doctor or relevant scientist say otherwise.


Come on now. Are you really trying to suggest that Trump was listening to experts all along? I've seen plenty of experts talk about this (I have a friend and a brother-in-law who are both virologists) and all of them were sounding the alarm. Heck, even the political class was sounding the alarm. On February 4, Chris Murphy, a senator from Connecticut said the following: "Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough. Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now."

You'll have to point out for me where I made any comment about anyone political affiliation. Noting gross incompetence isn't political.

Again you are trying to fit a narrative. The pushing of the new drugs were 'what do you have to lose drugs' and by the time he was pushing that he was also talking about loss of human life being a main thing to avoid. So you cant pick and choose a timeline on one issue without correcting the other. Also talk is different then actions. The Easter thing about some parts of the country being open was a thought, perhaps that was against experts advice, but it doesnt look there will be any action on that.

Saying there is gross incompetence is actually political when there a large group that would disagree. Can say there are problems and mistakes but when throwing around all or nothing descriptions, it looks political. Just like saying hes doing the best job ever. That would be political to me as well as a large group would disagree to that .

[irv]

Continual Trump bashing even during these times. Who said this pandemic had no political agenda? The Dems are using anything and everything they can to paint Trump in a bad light. Shameful, absolutely shameful.

https://twitter.com/TrumpStudents/st...32736%3Fs%3D09

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Again you are trying to fit a narrative. The pushing of the new drugs were 'what do you have to lose drugs' and by the time he was pushing that he was also talking about loss of human life being a main thing to avoid. So you cant pick and choose a timeline on one issue without correcting the other.

You know, it is possible to hold several thoughts in sequence and, get this, even at the same time. Everything in my previous post, save the mention of gross incompetence, is a verifiable fact. I even provided links for you to see for yourself. If stating what is objectively true is pushing a narrative, then the word fact has no meaning. Though, I have to say this is the first time I've met a nihilist out in the wild.

Also talk is different then actions. The Easter thing about some parts of the country being open was a thought, perhaps that was against experts advice, but it doesnt look there will be any action on that.

Saying there is gross incompetence is actually political when there a large group that would disagree.

When you are the President of the United States, words matter. Here is an article talking about the responses of the various states to the outbreak. It is a good jumping off point for determining when the various states put in measures to slow the spread of the disease and the severity of those measures.

To *now* make this political, you may want to look at the states that were slower to respond and have put in the less stringent measures. You'll find something interesting about their party affiliation. Words matter.

Can say there are problems and mistakes but when throwing around all or nothing descriptions, it looks political.

As far as your assertion that mistakes were made, that is true. Huge, deadly mistakes were made that went directly against the advise of public health experts. And, yes, experts can be wrong. But, in this case, they were right, and the difference of experiences between the US and South Korea that someone posted about earlier is instructive. John Hopkins maintains an up to date coronavirus website that allows you do drill down into the data. It's interesting to compare and contrast the charts in the lower right hand side for the US and South Korea. It shows what would have been possible if someone here had listened to the experts from the git-go. Korea has experienced 3.3 deaths for every million residents so far and the spread of the disease is slowing. The US has experienced 15.6 deaths per million and the spread of the disease is accelerating. This is all verifiable fact. Expertise matters.