Just how Rare are Vintage Cards (Like How much Rarer is a T212 vs T206)?

Rhotchkiss · #1 03-31-2020, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by buymycards

That is what I thought. But, of the 11 cards that have been graded by PSA, 10 are Authentic and 1 is a 6. Of the 99 cards graded by SGC, only 2 are graded Authentic.

Rick, PSA is stupid. They are terrible at rare and old cards (hell, they are terrible at all cards). I have seen flips that say brown old mill and brown Lenox that are not brown, and PSA is famous for one of the biggest steals of all time on a mislabeled old mill that was a brown old mill. And this is not the only chance r215 pirate. There is one other known - there is a complete t215 pirate set out there (May be missing one card). I will admit - SGC’s may have number grades, so in this case they both may be wrong, but the ones in SGC flips may be the set, and that set may have actually been assembled with cards from packs; there is only one set and then a few single stragglers. Regardless, I will take SGC all day, every day on old and rare T, E, and D cards and PCs and anything rare.

T215s are all Authentic because they think the t215 pirates out there were cut from a single sheet and not put into packs (given to servicemen in the pacific). Here is a great write up by REA from a t215 pirate auction a while back.

Steve (BrassRat on the board) has a freak pirate - split front and back - of chief meyers; hands down one of the coolest cards around. Maybe he will post it.

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...dinary-rarity/

BTW - Ben, good looking Cobb. Congrats. I agree, post cards!!

brass_rat · #2 03-31-2020, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Steve (BrassRat on the bored) has a freak pirate - split front and back - of chief meyers; hands down one of the coolest cards around. Maybe he will post it.

Cheers

Also, my understanding is that there are two near-complete T215 Pirate sets. The SGC near-set and another in the Edward Wharton-Tigar collection in the British Museum. Each near-set is missing different card(s).

More info on the overall collection:
https://research.britishmuseum.org/r...27688&partId=1

As a side note, I figure that this Meyers was factory cut. I can't imagine that anyone with a sheet could have done this bad of a job of they were hand cutting.

. (Not claiming/suggesting that it was ever factory-released though...)

Steve

philliesphan · #3 04-01-2020, 12:49 AM

Steve-

After spending the last four years in London, I can tell you that I have very little confidence in how (if?) the British Museum has handled Wharton-Tigar's collection. I got the sense that it was housed off-site, and that anyone who had any functional knowledge of the collection has since retired and/or moved on.

I hope I'm wrong, but...

buymycards · #4 04-01-2020, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Rick, PSA is stupid. They are terrible at rare and old cards (hell, they are terrible at all cards). I have seen flips that say brown old mill and brown Lenox that are not brown, and PSA is famous for one of the biggest steals of all time on a mislabeled old mill that was a brown old mill. And this is not the only chance r215 pirate. There is one other known - there is a complete t215 pirate set out there (May be missing one card). I will admit - SGC�s may have number grades, so in this case they both may be wrong, but the ones in SGC flips may be the set, and that set may have actually been assembled with cards from packs; there is only one set and then a few single stragglers. Regardless, I will take SGC all day, every day on old and rare T, E, and D cards and PCs and anything rare.

T215s are all Authentic because they think the t215 pirates out there were cut from a single sheet and not put into packs (given to servicemen in the pacific). Here is a great write up by REA from a t215 pirate auction a while back.

Steve (BrassRat on the board) has a freak pirate - split front and back - of chief meyers; hands down one of the coolest cards around. Maybe he will post it.

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...dinary-rarity/

BTW - Ben, good looking Cobb. Congrats. I agree, post cards!!

Thank you for the info. It seems that I always learn something from these types of threads.

Rick

Orioles1954 · #5 04-01-2020, 11:08 AM

We could do all sorts of numerical analysis but in reality total quantities are 100% speculation. Fun to think about? Sure.

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