Which card will sell for more

#1 04-18-2020, 08:10 PM

Out with the New and In with the Old. Cobb is the best value and not a flash in the pan like Trout Nothing like a Pan Fried Trout when the Values go South

BeanTown · #2 04-20-2020, 09:24 PM

Cobb in the Clubhouse at 300k. Now we have to wait 3 weeks and see how Trout does.

bswhiten · #3 04-20-2020, 09:39 PM

Trout. No contest.

edjs · #4 04-20-2020, 09:46 PM

So, what does a 1/1 for a player that didn�t become a star go for? Or even another 5/5? What is the average Joe�s bump on these serial numbered cards?

chriskim · #5 04-20-2020, 10:04 PM

Keeping cash and buy TSLA. LOL

rhettyeakley · #6 04-20-2020, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edjs

So, what does a 1/1 for a player that didn�t become a star go for? Or even another 5/5? What is the average Joe�s bump on these serial numbered cards?

They literally go for about $10-20, maybe a little more if they have the Major League team shown and a team collector wants it.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...lete=1&_sop=15

edjs · #7 04-20-2020, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

They literally go for about $10-20, maybe a little more if they have the Major League team shown and a team collector wants it.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...lete=1&_sop=15

That�s so weird.

55koufax · #8 05-14-2020, 02:17 PM

Vegas Dave, there is little chance Cobb is the winner. This clowno will pay anything for high end, ultra rare Trout cards. Go to you tube and put his name in and see.

Vegas Dave and Holly Sonders were an item til recently too. Good to see she is not as brainless as previous actions indicated.

I am rooting for The Trouter Man to tank the rest of his career (not really)

just to see this Vegas Dave lose millions for trying to openly monopolize the Trout market.

BeanTown · #9 05-14-2020, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 55koufax

Vegas Dave, there is little chance Cobb is the winner. This clowno will pay anything for high end, ultra rare Trout cards. Go to you tube and put his name in and see.

Vegas Dave and Holly Sonders were an item til recently too. Good to see she is not as brainless as previous actions indicated.

I am rooting for The Trouter Man to tank the rest of his career (not really)

just to see this Vegas Dave lose millions for trying to openly monopolize the Trout market.

Ive never heard of him. He must have somekind of large bankroll to affect the market on Trout. Sounds like the Hunt Brothers of the 70s trying to corner the market on Silver

rats60 · #10 05-14-2020, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 55koufax

Vegas Dave, there is little chance Cobb is the winner. This clowno will pay anything for high end, ultra rare Trout cards. Go to you tube and put his name in and see.

Vegas Dave and Holly Sonders were an item til recently too. Good to see she is not as brainless as previous actions indicated.

I am rooting for The Trouter Man to tank the rest of his career (not really)

just to see this Vegas Dave lose millions for trying to openly monopolize the Trout market.

Vegas Dave is selling this card. I am sure he is making a huge profit.

phikappapsi · #11 05-15-2020, 05:58 AM

funny - just yesterday I was scrolling through ebay just wasting time. And got curious; Pat Mahomes signed rookie cards with mint grades; $50K+++ Peyton Manning signed rookie cards, also mint, $1-2k.

In what world does that make sense (yet?) the recency bias in the modern market is insane. Just buy known quantities, at the end of their career or retirement. The speculation on the front end of careers is just lunacy.

sayheykid54 · #12 05-24-2020, 06:43 AM

Without question I would personally want the Cobb. It's not even close. ANY modern card selling for $500K is simply insane.

Goldin Auctions · #13 05-26-2020, 12:53 PM

We just wanted to inform everyone in the forum that we have received a wire for the full amount of the Mike Trout Card sale.
the sale if confirmed
thank you all for your interest in this historic sale.

https://goldinauctions.com/2009_Bowm...-LOT57497.aspx

Rhotchkiss · #14 04-20-2020, 09:41 PM

$300k was highway robbery IMO. Someone got a great deal. I definitely take the Trout, although admittedly, I have no idea why that Trout card is worth anything significant

Bored5000 · #15 04-20-2020, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rgpete

Out with the New and In with the Old. Cobb is the best value and not a flash in the pan like Trout Nothing like a Pan Fried Trout when the Values go South

I don't say this to diminish Cobb in any way, but come on. Trout is not a "flash in the pan." He is the best player of his generation.

In eight full seasons, he has finished top two in MVP voting seven times. He has led the A.L. in offensive WAR seven times in eight years. The only season he wasn't in the top two in MVP voting and failed to lead the league in offensive WAR, he missed a third of the season due to injury.

Be it 1910 or 2020, those are otherworldly stats.

Tyruscobb · #16 04-20-2020, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored5000

I don't say this to diminish Cobb in any way, but come on. Trout is not a "flash in the pan." He is the best player of his generation.

In eight full seasons, he has finished top two in MVP voting seven times. He has led the A.L. in offensive WAR seven times in eight years. The only season he wasn't in the top two in MVP voting and failed to lead the league in offensive WAR, he missed a third of the season due to injury.

Be it 1910 or 2020, those are otherworldly stats.

Trout�s numbers are even with Puljos� first 8 years. Would you pay big money for a Puljos card at this point? Exactly. His numbers have the ability to drop just like Puljos.

The Cobb value is set in stone. The Trout card�s downside is greater than the card�s upside. An all-time great v. a player who still has the ability to sustain multiple injuries and risking hundreds of thousands? It�s not even close. Hindsight is 20/20, but Cobb is the correct investment here. Buying that Trout is not really investing but more of like a casino play. It�s gambling.

Bored5000 · #17 04-20-2020, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Trout�s numbers are even with Puljos� first 8 years. Would you pay big money for a Puljos card at this point? Exactly. His numbers have the ability to drop just like Puljos.

The Cobb value is set in stone. The Trout card�s downside is greater than the card�s upside. An all-time great v. a player who still has the ability to sustain multiple injuries and risking hundreds of thousands? It�s not even close. Hindsight is 20/20, but Cobb is the correct investment here. Buying that Trout is not really investing but more of like a casino play. It�s gambling.

I would rather have the Cobb card in a heartbeat. I was mostly objecting to the characterization of a guy with seven top-two MVP finishes in eight years as a "flash in the pan." Even though I would rather have the Cobb card, I recognize that Trout is the best player of his generation.

When I first saw your user name, I was worried you might not be objective on the topic.

Topnotchsy · #18 04-21-2020, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Trout�s numbers are even with Puljos� first 8 years. Would you pay big money for a Puljos card at this point? Exactly. His numbers have the ability to drop just like Puljos.

The Cobb value is set in stone. The Trout card�s downside is greater than the card�s upside. An all-time great v. a player who still has the ability to sustain multiple injuries and risking hundreds of thousands? It�s not even close. Hindsight is 20/20, but Cobb is the correct investment here. Buying that Trout is not really investing but more of like a casino play. It�s gambling.

Pujols is an all-time great and one of the 25 best players in baseball history, but I don't think he was as good as Trout to this point in his career, was never a 5-tool player, was never as marketable, and represents close to the worst-case scenario for Trout going forward.

Not saying the price on the Trout should be more than Cobb or anything like that, but his all-around performance and marketability is unlike anything we have seen probably since Mantle.

darwinbulldog · #19 04-21-2020, 12:58 AM

If they both retire today, I'd say Trout has had about the 30th best career in MLB history (including 8 pitchers) and Pujols about the 40th best. More to the point, Trout has done more in his first 8 seasons than Pujols had done in his astonishingly strong first 10 seasons. Statistically he's at least the best player since Barry Bonds and arguably the best since Ruth.

Pointing out that Trout won't keep up the same pace is not insightful. It's just a straw man since neither did Cobb or Ruth.

midmo · #20 04-21-2020, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

More to the point, Trout has done more in his first 8 seasons than Pujols had done in his astonishingly strong first 10 seasons.

Not to make this thread about Trout vs Pujols, but here's the stats...

first 9 years:

Mike Trout - ROY, MVP-1 (3), MVP-2 (4), MVP-4 (1), SS (7)
AB=4340, R=903, H=1324, 2B=251, HR=285, RBI=752, SB=200, AVG=.305
postseason game wins=0

Albert Pujols - ROY, MVP-1 (3), MVP-2 (3), MVP-3 (1), MVP-4 (1), SS (5), GG (1)
AB=5146, R=1071, H=1717, 2B=387, HR=366, RBI=1112, SB=61, AVG=.334
2006 World Series Champion

or if you want to take out Albert's 9th year to make the ABs more similar here's his first 8 years:
AB=4578, R=947, H=1531, 2B=342, HR=319, RBI=977, SB=45, AVG=.334

bounce · #21 04-21-2020, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by midmo

Not to make this thread about Trout vs Pujols, but here's the stats...

first 9 years:

Mike Trout - ROY, MVP-1 (3), MVP-2 (4), MVP-4 (1), SS (7)
AB=4340, R=903, H=1324, 2B=251, HR=285, RBI=752, SB=200, AVG=.305
postseason game wins=0

Albert Pujols - ROY, MVP-1 (3), MVP-2 (3), MVP-3 (1), MVP-4 (1), SS (5), GG (1)
or if you want to take out Albert's 9th year to make the ABs more similar here's his first 8 years:
AB=4578, R=947, H=1531, 2B=342, HR=319, RBI=977, SB=45, AVG=.334

Frank Thomas was another that I thought might be interesting, first 9 seasons - 2 MVPs, 5 AS
AB=4406, R=894, H=1416, 2B=281, HR=286, RBI=963

Then there's Griffey, probably a better comparison considering they both play the same position? First 9 seasons - 1 MVP (really he only won it once?!?!), 8 AS
AB=4593, R=820, H=1389, 2B=261, HR=294, RBI=872

I think these stats tend to show these other guys hit for better average than Trout, and may have had better teams around them (?) when looking at the RBI differentials. The BB totals aren't hugely different, so that doesn't seem to be a factor. I didn't bother to look at Ks, but again I doubt there's a substantial impact from that which would change this analysis.

I can't believe I'm saying this, because Trout is really good, but is it just possible he's not as good as we want him to be?

Or, does it possibly say anything about the elite caliber of other players in MLB during this era? I don't know - it's fun to think about though, especially the impacts of collecting.

Anyway, I voted Trout on this and it won't even be close.

rats60 · #22 04-21-2020, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

If they both retire today, I'd say Trout has had about the 30th best career in MLB history (including 8 pitchers) and Pujols about the 40th best. More to the point, Trout has done more in his first 8 seasons than Pujols had done in his astonishingly strong first 10 seasons. Statistically he's at least the best player since Barry Bonds and arguably the best since Ruth.

Pointing out that Trout won't keep up the same pace is not insightful. It's just a straw man since neither did Cobb or Ruth.

Really? At age 36 Ruth led the majors with 10.5 WAR as well as HR, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+ with 218. Age 37 OPS+ 201. Age 38 OPS+ 176. Age 39 OPS+ 160.

At age 35, Cobb hit .401 with an OPS of 1.026 despite only hitting 4 home runs and was 2nd in oWAR. At age 38 Cobb hit .378 and led the league in OPS and OPS+ and hit a career high 12 home runs. That season, upset about all the talk of Ruth's Home Runs, Cobb told writers he could hit home runs if he wanted to and went out and hit 3 home runs along with a double and 2 singles going 6 for 6. The next day he hit 2 more setting a MLB record for most HRs in back to back games that still stands. Then Cobb went back to playing his "dead ball era" style.

JunkyJoe · #23 04-21-2020, 01:28 PM

None of these prices for modern cards makes any sense, without there being an underhanded catalyst involved. Here's my take: a card dealer owns multiples of a very low production serial#'d card of a "hot" player. The dealer consigns one of these super-rare super-hot cards through a major auction house and, either by himself or with the help of his associates/employees/family members, shills up the auction from multiple bidder accounts and then essentially buys the card from himself. After the smoke and mirrors show is produced for the collecting/investing public, no money has actually traded hands. The market is now primed for the next auction of this super-rare super-hot card from a different seller (or, so we're led to believe). The same dealer has another one of his super-rare super-hot cards consigned, this time by a family member, friend, or possibly even a fellow shady dealer who takes a pre-negotiated cut of the final sale price. And yes, unfortunately, there are plenty of trust fund dimwits out there foaming at the mouth to be the next high roller / "baller" who spends record bucks on that card.

mouschi · #24 04-21-2020, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Really? At age 36 Ruth led the majors with 10.5 WAR as well as HR, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+ with 218. Age 37 OPS+ 201. Age 38 OPS+ 176. Age 39 OPS+ 160.

At age 35, Cobb hit .401 with an OPS of 1.026 despite only hitting 4 home runs and was 2nd in oWAR. At age 38 Cobb hit .378 and led the league in OPS and OPS+ and hit a career high 12 home runs. That season, upset about all the talk of Ruth's Home Runs, Cobb told writers he could hit home runs if he wanted to and went out and hit 3 home runs along with a double and 2 singles going 6 for 6. The next day he hit 2 more setting a MLB record for most HRs in back to back games that still stands. Then Cobb went back to playing his "dead ball era" style.

I **LOVE** This.

rats60 · #25 04-21-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Topnotchsy

Pujols is an all-time great and one of the 25 best players in baseball history, but I don't think he was as good as Trout to this point in his career, was never a 5-tool player, was never as marketable, and represents close to the worst-case scenario for Trout going forward.

Not saying the price on the Trout should be more than Cobb or anything like that, but his all-around performance and marketability is unlike anything we have seen probably since Mantle.

Trout was never a 5 tool player either. He is average defensively and has an average arm. He even played quite a bit of left field earlier in his career, not where you would stick a good fielder with a strong arm. Albert Pujols and Frank Thomas were significantly better offensively than Trout at his peak, that makes up for Trout's speed and base running. At one time Thomas and Pujols were hot and cooled off when their performance dropped. Unless Trout can play at a high level through his 30s like Cobb, Ruth, Clemente, Mays, Aaron, Williams, etc. he will too.

If Trout is at or passing his peak, then this card is also and has little upside. The Cobb will continue to rise and some think it actually sold low, even at 300k.

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