The real, unseen side of The Green New Deal.

[todeen]

Interesting. I've got a old hippy colleague who tells me this all the time. Especially the part about the koch brothers.

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[irv]

Originally Posted by todeen

Interesting. I've got a old hippy colleague who tells me this all the time. Especially the part about the koch brothers.

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It's a very good watch, especially for those that think and believe wind, solar and biomass is great for the planet.

Nothing but a big lie and money grab.

[Cliff Bowman]

Biggest scam of the last fifty years.

[steve B]

Having worked on the periphery of biomass stuff up till 2000, I'd have to disagree.

In many areas stumps aren't allowed to be buried since they can lead to voids when they rot away.
One place I did some work for built machines to process the stumps.
Another in NJ used the machines. Nearly all their wood came from either dead trees or trees removed during construction of housing or malls etc. The rest came from clean construction debris. They made mulch. (He charged people to dump their stumps etc then charged them a few weeks later for the same stuff when they bought mulch..)

Another was a town that used biomass in a sewage treatment/power plant.
Semi-treated water out, mixed with mulch and allowed to sit for some time. Some got used for mulch on town properties, most of the rest was burned in a small power plant. The mixer was hydraulic and I went out and helped fix it.
The stuff heated up so they had to spread it out occasionally. and even then they had a minor fire almost weekly.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by irv

It's a very good watch, especially for those that think and believe wind, solar and biomass is great for the planet.



Nothing but a big lie and money grab.

My old hippy friend is a conspiracy theorist. He is anti big government, anti big business, anti establishment, and believes individuals are idiots (for the most part). But he always seems to cite relevant data whether it's about green energy, vaccines, or climate change. He believes climate change is overrated, its an idea overrun by the establishment to sell green energy. He has nothing nice to say about Greta Thunberg - he thinks she is a complete tool of the establishment.

He believes in the science behind a lot of good ideas, but then points to the big money that bankrolls most research. When your primary donor is the Koch brothers, it's hard to release authentic information that tells the truth of the research committed. He says research, even by the federal govt, is always airbrushed to distort what was really discovered.

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[bnorth]

I have never understood mixing ethanol into gasoline. In every vehicle I have ever owned when I use the 10% ethanol blend I get 10% lower MPG.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Biggest scam of the last fifty years.

You got it, Cliff. I've never believed in Global Warming, other than the natural course of the planet, which, of course, is still developing and changing all the time. So much skewed info, lies, made up stories, etc, all designed to fleece your pockets and all under the false pretense we are helping to save the planet.

I think of the worldwide protests by our brainwashed youth, those that hate Trump because he didn't buy in with the Paris accord. The list goes on and on, which makes me even more mad knowing that they will likely get away with all of this. Al Gore, President Obama, our moron in charge up here, The Sierra Club, Bill Nye, David Suzuki and a lot of celebrities. All liars and all getting filthy rich off of it.

Originally Posted by todeen

My old hippy friend is a conspiracy theorist. He is anti big government, anti big business, anti establishment, and believes individuals are idiots (for the most part). But he always seems to cite relevant data whether it's about green energy, vaccines, or climate change. He believes climate change is overrated, its an idea overrun by the establishment to sell green energy. He has nothing nice to say about Greta Thunberg - he thinks she is a complete tool of the establishment.

He believes in the science behind a lot of good ideas, but then points to the big money that bankrolls most research. When your primary donor is the Koch brothers, it's hard to release authentic information that tells the truth of the research committed. He says research, even by the federal govt, is always airbrushed to distort what was really discovered.

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I can relate to your friend 100%. There are just too many questions and lies, let alone all the predictions that never came true, that should make everyone say, wait a minute, but no, as soon as you question any of them, you are quickly labeled/called a denier, a racist, a moron and a whole host of other things. With President Obama saying the science is settled, they don't even want to have a friendly/constructive debate as they, like a lot of people, because of who they are and not what they know, people automatically think they are correct. Some people are incapable of critical thinking anymore. Just blindly trust those in charge like good sheep and trust all the fake news.

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have never understood mixing ethanol into gasoline. In every vehicle I have ever owned when I use the 10% ethanol blend I get 10% lower MPG.

And I believe 15% is coming soon, if it hasn't already?? The 10% is bad enough but the 15% and higher can cause major engine damage as has been proven, especially in the marine industry as it is hygroscopic, (absorbs moisture) and can cause engine seizures and all sorts of other damage to fuel systems.

I hope this vid goes viral and gets a lot of mainstream coverage to expose the hypocrites who are actually doing far more damage to this planet than what they said they were doing.

An article in our paper this morning, which I was glad to see.

" “Everywhere I encountered green energy it wasn’t what it seemed, ” Gibbs says early in the film.

He explains why wind and solar power, electric vehicles, ethanol, biomass and biofuels cannot exist without fossil fuel energy and are environmentally destructive.""

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...nergy#comments

[2dueces]

That is absolutely a must see. Amazing what the people have been led to believe.
I guess they do it to feel good about themselves while all the have to do is follow the money. Thank you so much for posting. I doubt I’ll get any of my Eco friendly
Friends to watch it but I can now have an argument about all of it. Extremely informative.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

That is absolutely a must see. Amazing what the people have been led to believe.
I guess they do it to feel good about themselves while all the have to do is follow the money. Thank you so much for posting. I doubt I’ll get any of my Eco friendly
Friends to watch it but I can now have an argument about all of it. Extremely informative.

The most amazing thing about it is that it was made by a lifelong leftist who has bought into everything about climate change and how evil fossil fuels are and despises those on the other side, but he has seen through the lies about renewable green energy and how it is often more harmful than coal, the billionaires who are taking advantage of it and also those in positions of authority who know what's going on and are purposely looking the other way.

[irv]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

That is absolutely a must see. Amazing what the people have been led to believe.
I guess they do it to feel good about themselves while all they have to do is follow the money. Thank you so much for posting. I doubt I’ll get any of my Eco friendly friends to watch it but I can now have an argument about all of it. Extremely informative.

You're welcome.

Like you, I hope everyone watches it, even non believers in the global warming/green energy hoax/scam.

When you think of it, these @#$%^ will stoop to no level in order to make money.

Start with a big lie that will get everyone, (or most) on board, with Global warming because they know the vast majority will support it when they claim our lives are hanging in the balance and we must act now or else.
Paint up, tell a bunch of lies with fake data, skewed computer modelling, and some scary pictures.
Get, fund, or invent some climate alarmist/environment sites who will also back/support what you're spewing.
Hire some celebrities, well known's, crooked politicians, to help and you have the perfect fake narrative/recipe just to sit back and watch the money roll in all under the guise of saving the planet and everyone's lives.

Like you, I am also having a hard time getting some to watch it, which isn't surprising, but as they say, it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone they have been fooled.

Like I mentioned in that other thread, people need to do research themselves before trusting any media sources today as the fake news, even from MSM, is at an all time high this day and age.

I sure hope those believers, who watch this documentary, who believe in this global warming/climate change/green energy nonsense, will think twice before jumping on board with the next hoax that comes along.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by irv

Absolutely! It is much easier telling someone something they want to hear rather than telling them something they don't.

And sometimes, no matter what you tell someone they hear only what they want to hear.

For instance, someone could make a movie that says the planet is in grave danger and the best way to solve the problem is through population control and less material consumption. To bolster this talking point, they denigrate green energy by attacking the people behind green energy and showing waste associated with making green energy. They conveniently do not discuss the waste associated with the production of other forms of energy, the malfeasance of people behind the other forms of energy, and the fact that solar panels, for instance, will generate a net reduction in CO2 emissions versus non-renewable sources of energy. Nor do they claim that climate change is a hoax. They think it is a real and present danger.

Yet, some people will see the movie and go about ranting

Originally Posted by irv

When the anti coal movement was in full progress, we were all fed lies about how dirty it is and how destructive it was to extract it. Like you seen, mining and destroying the earth has now increased because they are now mining for more minerals and the mining for coal has never stopped.

Originally Posted by irv

Start with a big lie that will get everyone, (or most) on board, with Global warming because they know the vast majority will support it when they claim our lives are hanging in the balance and we must act now or else.
Paint up, tell a bunch of lies with fake data, skewed computer modelling, and some scary pictures.
Get, fund, or invent some climate alarmist/environment sites who will also back/support what you're spewing.

Originally Posted by irv

You got it, Cliff. I've never believed in Global Warming, other than the natural course of the planet ---

See what I mean, no matter what you tell someone they hear only what they want to hear.

Originally Posted by irv

Nothing but a big lie, the whole movement, and every part of it all disguised as a feel good story that we are stopping global warming and saving the planet.

Kind of like if someone were talking about the corona virus and says the following –

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”

Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

Feb. 10: “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

Feb. 26, “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down … a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 7, “Anyone who wants a test can get one”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 17: “This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Apr. 7: “But you have to understand, I’m a cheerleader for this country. I don’t want to create havoc and shock and everything else”

If someone did that, would that make you ?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

And sometimes, no matter what you tell someone they hear only what they want to hear.

For instance, someone could make a movie that says the planet is in grave danger and the best way to solve the problem is through population control and less material consumption. To bolster this talking point, they denigrate green energy by attacking the people behind green energy and showing waste associated with making green energy. They conveniently do not discuss the waste associated with the production of other forms of energy, the malfeasance of people behind the other forms of energy, and the fact that solar panels, for instance, will generate a net reduction in CO2 emissions versus non-renewable sources of energy. Nor do they claim that climate change is a hoax. They think it is a real and present danger.

Yet, some people will see the movie and go about ranting





See what I mean, no matter what you tell someone they hear only what they want to hear.



Kind of like if someone were talking about the corona virus and says the following –

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”

Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

Feb. 10: “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

Feb. 26, “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down … a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 7, “Anyone who wants a test can get one”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 17: “This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Apr. 7: “But you have to understand, I’m a cheerleader for this country. I don’t want to create havoc and shock and everything else”

If someone did that, would that make you ?

I was wondering when Mr. TDS would show up .

[irv]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

And sometimes, no matter what you tell someone they hear only what they want to hear.

Wow, I had no idea that some would take this global warming alarmism exposure so hard? But then again, when it comes from someone they looked up to almost god like status, I can see that being a tough pill to swallow.

Sad, that MM is trying to tell you, like him, that you have been duped/lied to, and yet you still don't want to accept that info.

In my opinion, he is doing you a favor, helping you, but because you are so deeply entrenched in your believes now, you refuse to change your viewpoints, even though the scam/hoax is clearly laid out right in front of you for you to clearly see.

Tell me, Mike, if CO2 is so bad then why do they pump 3-4 times of what we currently breath into greenhouses throughout the world?
Have you done any research/critical thinking on your own, or do you just believe/listen to those that think like you and what MSM or people in power tell you?
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/...cts/00-077.htm

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Kind of like if someone were talking about the corona virus and says the following –

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”

Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

Feb. 2: "“There's really no need to panic and avoid activities that we always do as New Yorkers.”

Feb. 7: "We're telling New Yorkers: Go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life..."

Feb. 10: “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

Feb. 10: "This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu. And transmission is not that easy."

Feb. 26, “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

March 2: "We know that there is currently no indication that it's easy to transmit by casual contact. There's no need to do any special anything in the community. We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives - ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors."

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down … a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 7, “Anyone who wants a test can get one”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 17: “This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Apr. 7: “But you have to understand, I’m a cheerleader for this country. I don’t want to create havoc and shock and everything else”

If someone did that, would that make you ?

You missed a few, but I added them into your timeline (all made by NYC officials). If you like, I can post the video that shows these and more?

Edited to add: And let's not forget the Tweet from the WHO on January 14th.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

And sometimes, no matter what you tell someone they hear only what they want to hear.

For instance, someone could make a movie that says the planet is in grave danger and the best way to solve the problem is through population control and less material consumption. To bolster this talking point, they denigrate green energy by attacking the people behind green energy and showing waste associated with making green energy. They conveniently do not discuss the waste associated with the production of other forms of energy, the malfeasance of people behind the other forms of energy, and the fact that solar panels, for instance, will generate a net reduction in CO2 emissions versus non-renewable sources of energy. Nor do they claim that climate change is a hoax. They think it is a real and present danger.

Yet, some people will see the movie and go about ranting





See what I mean, no matter what you tell someone they hear only what they want to hear.



Kind of like if someone were talking about the corona virus and says the following –

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”

Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

Feb. 10: “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

Feb. 26, “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down … a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 7, “Anyone who wants a test can get one”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 17: “This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Apr. 7: “But you have to understand, I’m a cheerleader for this country. I don’t want to create havoc and shock and everything else”

If someone did that, would that make you ?

Here is Post 22, I don't see anything that addresses what the movie or the thread is about: greed, destruction, deceit.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by todeen

My old hippy friend is a conspiracy theorist. He is anti big government, anti big business, anti establishment, and believes individuals are idiots (for the most part). But he always seems to cite relevant data whether it's about green energy, vaccines, or climate change. He believes climate change is overrated, its an idea overrun by the establishment to sell green energy. He has nothing nice to say about Greta Thunberg - he thinks she is a complete tool of the establishment.

He believes in the science behind a lot of good ideas, but then points to the big money that bankrolls most research.

I have two friends like yours. One of them is really just a nut-case with a wealth of data, but the other cites more relevant data, and is organized and coherent enough that it's hard to argue with him. Plus, he was my golfing buddy before I realized he was into this stuff, so I had him pegged for down-to-earth, not from-outer-space. These conspiracy theorists always seem to have minds like steel traps!

You should hear his theories about COVID-19. After listening to the details on why we had WWII and of course, Kennedy, I was not surprised that he had a full arsenal of information to back his COVID-19 thoughts. 5G in Wuhan, Bill Gates, etc .

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I have two friends like yours. One of them is really just a nut-case with a wealth of data, but the other cites more relevant data, and is organized and coherent enough that it's hard to argue with him. Plus, he was my golfing buddy before I realized he was into this stuff, so I had him pegged for down-to-earth, not from-outer-space. These conspiracy theorists always seem to have minds like steel traps!

You should hear his theories about COVID-19. After listening to the details on why we had WWII and of course, Kennedy, I was not surprised that he had a full arsenal of information to back his COVID-19 thoughts. 5G in Wuhan, Bill Gates, etc .

The 5G one is hilarious...People really believe anything they read.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I have two friends like yours. One of them is really just a nut-case with a wealth of data, but the other cites more relevant data, and is organized and coherent enough that it's hard to argue with him. Plus, he was my golfing buddy before I realized he was into this stuff, so I had him pegged for down-to-earth, not from-outer-space. These conspiracy theorists always seem to have minds like steel traps!

You should hear his theories about COVID-19. After listening to the details on why we had WWII and of course, Kennedy, I was not surprised that he had a full arsenal of information to back his COVID-19 thoughts. 5G in Wuhan, Bill Gates, etc .

I love reading the unexplained mysteries and paranormal forums they are hilarious. Yes the wackos have great points and know a lot about the subject. Unfortunately it is always wrong and makes 0 sense. It is like a 6 year old trying to explain quantum physics to you. It don't make sense even if you don't think about it but damn are they serious about it.

My favorite part by far is how they are always being proven wrong. They somehow completely forget about that and move on to the next bat $hit crazy belief. Another amazing one is the people that think tv/movies about paranormal activities are real.

[2dueces]

I have a couple from California that are my dearest friends. Robin, Johns wife and I disagree on every point. Love them to death but our opinions are night and day. Texas vs California. I asked her to watch the video as I told her it was made by a life long green deal director. She only got half way through and it sicken her to tears. Everything she was lead to believe is a lie and she’s mad as hell. At least I was able to turn one person on to it so far.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I love reading the unexplained mysteries and paranormal forums they are hilarious. Yes the wackos have great points and know a lot about the subject. Unfortunately it is always wrong and makes 0 sense. It is like a 6 year old trying to explain quantum physics to you. It don't make sense even if you don't think about it but damn are they serious about it.

My favorite part by far is how they are always being proven wrong. They somehow completely forget about that and move on to the next bat $hit crazy belief. Another amazing one is the people that think tv/movies about paranormal activities are real.

If they want to believe hard enough anything is possible.

[irv]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

I have a couple from California that are my dearest friends. Robin, Johns wife and I disagree on every point. Love them to death but our opinions are night and day. Texas vs California. I asked her to watch the video as I told her it was made by a life long green deal director. She only got half way through and it sicken her to tears. Everything she was lead to believe is a lie and she’s mad as hell. At least I was able to turn one person on to it so far.

Glad to hear.
I have an older female friend who is a die hard believer, gut hook sheep, who refuses to even watch it. I honestly think she is afraid of knowing the truth and admit that she has been duped.

Originally Posted by 2dueces

If they want to believe hard enough anything is possible.

Absolutely! It is much easier telling someone something they want to hear rather than telling them something they don't.