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Old 04-22-2020, 05:18 PM
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3) Ozzie Smith- he turned flips on the field and batted .260. Seems like a nice guy though.
But if you go by the defensive WAR numbers, Ozzie's defense was every bit as good (and valuable) as his reputation. He was the best infielder in the history of the game, and by a big margin.

It has me envision that old Bugs Bunny baseball cartoon. "First base Ozzie Smith, second base Ozzie Smith, shortstop Ozzie Smith....."
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Old 04-22-2020, 05:34 PM
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Hi John- yes, Ozzie was a wonderful one-dimensional player (okay, I'll give another 1/2 dimension for being a steady but not monstrous stolen base guy). I actually "like" him, but again the term "overrated" is key. Why isn't Dave Concepcion in the Hall, by the way? Eerily similar offensive stats, same position, GREAT defensive player, led the 76 Reds in Game Winnings RBIs, similar tenure in MLB, on 2 WS winners. Concepcion is a wonderful player who is not "overrated". And don't get me started on Phil Rizzuto being in the Hall...
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Old 04-22-2020, 06:21 PM
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Hi John- yes, Ozzie was a wonderful one-dimensional player (okay, I'll give another 1/2 dimension for being a steady but not monstrous stolen base guy). I actually "like" him, but again the term "overrated" is key. Why isn't Dave Concepcion in the Hall, by the way? Eerily similar offensive stats, same position, GREAT defensive player, led the 76 Reds in Game Winnings RBIs, similar tenure in MLB, on 2 WS winners. Concepcion is a wonderful player who is not "overrated". And don't get me started on Phil Rizzuto being in the Hall...
Ozzie's lifetime overall WAR was almost double Concepcion's (which includes his offensive production also being more valuable). He had a lot better plate discipline and stole almost twice as many bases.

Defensively, Concepcion was exceptional. But he can't compare to Ozzie's numbers there either. Then again, no one can!
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Old 04-22-2020, 06:30 PM
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Hi John- yes, Ozzie was a wonderful one-dimensional player (okay, I'll give another 1/2 dimension for being a steady but not monstrous stolen base guy). I actually "like" him, but again the term "overrated" is key. Why isn't Dave Concepcion in the Hall, by the way? Eerily similar offensive stats, same position, GREAT defensive player, led the 76 Reds in Game Winnings RBIs, similar tenure in MLB, on 2 WS winners. Concepcion is a wonderful player who is not "overrated". And don't get me started on Phil Rizzuto being in the Hall...
I consider 580 career stolen bases monstrous. Sure Ozzie didn’t have power and that hurts his OPS. But he was a VERY good hitter for a 5+ year period and finished with 2,460 hits. He got on base. And one of the best defensive players ever. My dad used to say “hit it to Ozzie” when they were in a tough spot. Invariably they would and he would bail them out of a tough situation. Long live the Wizard!
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:22 PM
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Ozzie defenders- gents, he's a HOF player, I didn't say he was a scrub. The bar is "overrated", so when some of the other contributors stole a couple of my picks, I went to Ozzie. (I couldn't name Rizzuto because I didn't see him play, but boy oh boy...)
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:41 PM
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Holy cow- I just looked at your user names. NOW I know why you are defending Ozzie, you're StL fans! I win by default
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Old 04-22-2020, 08:00 PM
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Holy cow- I just looked at your user names. NOW I know why you are defending Ozzie, you're StL fans! I win by default
My "cards" refers just to sportscards. I have no Stl basis.

But speaking of, I also assumed that your OH was Ohio (thus Concepcion)
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Old 04-25-2020, 09:07 AM
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Holy cow- I just looked at your user names. NOW I know why you are defending Ozzie, you're StL fans! I win by default
John may not be guilty but I will admit I am! This is a great thread, I enjoy it.
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