Official Uncle Jimmy Collection Info - One of the Rarest Unknown Card Collections

[insidethewrapper]

These cards appear to have been well cared for with little light and handling and still the grades from PSA were from the photos in the 4-5 range. I still don't understand where the 7's-8's-9's come from from the 1910-1930's. Yes, I think I know, how they attain that range.
Question: Do the graders know who is submitting the cards ? Since it is on the flip , that's why my asking. thanks Great cards for the hobby.

[chuckw]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

These cards appear to have been well cared for with little light and handling and still the grades from PSA were from the photos in the 4-5 range. I still don't understand where the 7's-8's-9's come from from the 1910-1930's. Yes, I think I know, how they attain that range.
Question: Do the graders know who is submitting the cards ? Since it is on the flip , that's why my asking. thanks Great cards for the hobby.

The Goudey cards were like none I've ever seen (color, corners, edges were like they were recently printed) - you can tell they were not exposed to sun or air (the less oxidation the better). They seemed very pack fresh and the backs were white. I guess the grades are based on the centering, but still expecting (and hopeful) that some Goudeys and Play Balls will get 7-8 range, as the Goudeys so far have been consistently in the 4-6 range. I don't think graders know where cards come from, as the flips get made at the last step in the process by another group. As far as I know, one group researches and enters cards, one group grades, and one group slabs and does the flips. The eye appeal of the signed Goudey cards will extend above and beyond any grade. When they go to auction, you will see high-quality scans that will really highlight how the color pops. Most signed Goudeys that I've seen slabbed are only graded authentic, so maybe it is difficult to get a 7 or 8 card grade due to centering or other reasons.

[Snapolit1]

How does an AH report that they received an amazing collection of cards from a family that wishes to remain anonymous who got them from an uncle who also is not identified but who collected them somehow over the years establish provenance? Maybe I don't understand the concept.

[chuckw]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

How does an AH report that they received an amazing collection of cards from a family that wishes to remain anonymous who got them from an uncle who also is not identified but who collected them somehow over the years establish provenance? Maybe I don't understand the concept.

The provenance is established in many ways, for example: 1) from the letters from the players that came with the autographs; 2) from interaction with the family and estate (the family and the estate is not anonymous to the AH or the grading company); 3) from the collection being obtained at the home of the collector; 4) from the detailed documentation with this collection that was also like no other collection. These are just some of the ways that a provenance is determined. There are many aspects to estate management, auction sales, record-keeping, and chain of command records that further document and memorialize a provenance.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by chuckw

The provenance is established in many ways, for example: 1) from the letters from the players that came with the autographs; 2) from interaction with the family and estate (the family and the estate is not anonymous to the AH or the grading company); 3) from the collection being obtained at the home of the collector; 4) from the detailed documentation with this collection that was also like no other collection. These are just some of the ways that a provenance is determined. There are many aspects to estate management, auction sales, record-keeping, and chain of command records that further document and memorialize a provenance.

But isn't the whole point of provenance that a collector has access to the material establishing the bona fides of the material?

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by chuckw

The provenance is established in many ways, for example: 1) from the letters from the players that came with the autographs; 2) from interaction with the family and estate (the family and the estate is not anonymous to the AH or the grading company); 3) from the collection being obtained at the home of the collector; 4) from the detailed documentation with this collection that was also like no other collection. These are just some of the ways that a provenance is determined. There are many aspects to estate management, auction sales, record-keeping, and chain of command records that further document and memorialize a provenance.

when will the bulk of the auction go live for the collection? I need time to plan out all the ways I explain to my wife our next 3 vacations are cancelled

[chuckw]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

when will the bulk of the auction go live for the collection? I need time to plan out all the ways I explain to my wife our next 3 vacations are cancelled

The next auction is scheduled to go up June 14th and will run for ~ 4 weeks. That auction will have a lot of Uncle Jimmy's high grade cards and quality sets and some more of what was in the past auction. Pack fresh sets include 1965 T, 1967 T, 1970 T, and 1971 T. High quality sets are going to include 1948 Bowman and a lot of other Bowman sets or partial sets through 1954, and a 1956 Topps set that has pack fresh cards in my assessment (although not getting the PSA 8 and 9s like we are for 1960s cards). There is a PSA 8 Jackie Robinson Bowman Rookie, and just tons of nice sets. One Babe Ruth signed Goudey will be in that auction.

In late July or early August will be the start of an insane signed Goudey Auction (plus other cool items). Most of the cards are grading 4 to 6 on average and look even better! It will include multiple Ruths, Gehrig, Berg, Foxx, Hornsby, Dizzy Dean, Dazzy Vance, Ott, Bottomley, Lazzeri, Goslin, Al Simmons, Cuyler, Chuck Klein, Eddie Collins, Speaker, Greenberg, Durocher, O'Doul, Grove, Hubbell, Pennock, Maranville, Manush, Frisch, Rixey, Cochrane, Clancy, Bengough, ... and many many more!!! It will be a fun auction as most of the cards are the highest quality card of the subjects and most autographs are bold!

[chuckw]

Here is a photo of Uncle Jimmy