1963 Topps checklist question

[BillP]

Ok, did some sleuthing around the internet for marked 6th or 7th series checklists. Found at least 2 instances where the 7th series was marked only to card 511. In order words cards 507-511 were filled in/check off. All other cards after that were unchecked. The other 7th had boxes checked from 512-576 but nothing in 507-511. (not all 512-576 were checked though).
If including 512-522 in the 7th series, does that account for a 66 7th series sheet including another 7th series checklist? From a yellow base point of view?
That would leave the 6th series as 447-511 or 65 cards with a duplicate checklist. The only problem there is the supposed sp's. in the 6th series.

billp

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by BillP

Ok, did some sleuthing around the internet for marked 6th or 7th series checklists. Found at least 2 instances where the 7th series was marked only to card 511. In order words cards 507-511 were filled in/check off. All other cards after that were unchecked. The other 7th had boxes checked from 512-576 but nothing in 507-511. (not all 512-576 were checked though).
If including 512-522 in the 7th series, does that account for a 66 7th series sheet including another 7th series checklist? From a yellow base point of view?
That would leave the 6th series as 447-511 or 65 cards with a duplicate checklist. The only problem there is the supposed sp's. in the 6th series.

billp

I think you may be on to something. If it is taken back to #512 rather than #523 then that would include #515 Don Elston and #518 Don Blasingame, that would work out perfectly for the second horizontal row of yellow based cards with the red inset circles. 9 cards with red inset circles, the McNally rookie card, and a checklist card. I will experiment with all of the red based 63 high numbers and the blue based 63 high numbers and see what I come up with.

[Cliff Bowman]

If the 1963 Topps high number red base cards are taken back to #512 it also works out perfectly. There are 9 red base cards with yellow inset circles, Wes Covington, Steve Boros, Jim Perry, Jim Duffalo, Coot Veal, Claude Raymond, Dan Pfister, Ken Walters, George Banks. Then there are four non single player cards that are not part of the pattern but two of each would be on each of the two rows, manager Danny Murtaugh, Tigers team card, and two multi player rookie cards, one with Gary Peters and the other with Marcelino Lopez. There are nine red base single player cards that have the green circle, Duke Snider, Bill Kunkel, Orlando Cepeda, Purnal Goldy, Al Worthington, Larry Sherry, Hal Kolstad, Tom Satriano, Norm Larker. The Veal is a red base with a yellow inset circle, the Kolstad is a red base with a green inset circle, the rookie card is one of the four red base cards that doesn't fit the pattern.

[Cliff Bowman]

The 1963 Topps high number blue based cards work out perfectly if it goes back to #512, it cannot include #511. If started at #512, there are nine blue base single player cards with the red inset circle, Frank Bolling, Bob Sadowski, Mike de la Hoz, Hal Reniff, Roberto Clemente, Bobby Shantz, Larry Osborne, Dick Hall, Cal McLish, nine blue base single player cards with orange inset circles, Gary Geiger, Hal Woodeshick, Don Mossi, George Brunet, Wayne Causey, Ron Moeller, Hank Fischer, John Blanchard, Cuno Barragan, and four multi player rookie cards, Pete Rose, Willie Stargell, Rusty Staub, Ron Hunt. Two each of the multi player cards would be on each horizontal row. The Bolling is a blue base card with a red inset circle, the Mossi is a blue base card with an orange inset circle, and the Hunt rookie card doesn't fit either pattern.

[Cliff Bowman]

All of this tells me one thing, either the 1963 Topps last series checklist has been wrong for decades and actually starts at #512 rather than #523, or cards #512 through #522 were included in both of the last two series and should be considered double prints.

[BillP]

I think it's been wrong for decades. to include a numerical sequence in the next series seems far fetched. how about the 6th series as a challenge? 447-511 how do they color base wise match up? and sp's..... there has to be more than beckett lists. card #496 is way up there in price every time. id say 502 as well.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by BillP

I think it's been wrong for decades. to include a numerical sequence in the next series seems far fetched. how about the 6th series as a challenge? 447-511 how do they color base wise match up? and sp's..... there has to be more than beckett lists. card #496 is way up there in price every time. id say 502 as well.

I'm working on it now. I believe this will establish that there are no SP's in either series and that it's like you said, 447-511 and 512-576 are each series.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by BillP

Ok, did some sleuthing around the internet for marked 6th or 7th series checklists. Found at least 2 instances where the 7th series was marked only to card 511. In order words cards 507-511 were filled in/check off. All other cards after that were unchecked. The other 7th had boxes checked from 512-576 but nothing in 507-511. (not all 512-576 were checked though).
If including 512-522 in the 7th series, does that account for a 66 7th series sheet including another 7th series checklist? From a yellow base point of view?
That would leave the 6th series as 447-511 or 65 cards with a duplicate checklist. The only problem there is the supposed sp's. in the 6th series.

billp

OK, I see exactly what you are saying now, 447-511 plus an extra checklist would comprise the entire 6th series, and 512-576 plus an extra checklist would comprise the entire 7th series, which I have just proven. It looks like I have to start it all anew on the 6th series 447-511.