Is there a more undervalued card in vintage?

#1 06-11-2020, 03:08 PM

Joe Jackson's 1913 Tom Barker, National Game and 1914 Polo Grounds are undervalued for his earlier playing days in my opinion. But game cards are second to the rest

#2 06-11-2020, 09:24 PM

Agree on Eddie Collins. I'd also add Jimmie Foxx and Stan Musial into the mix

robw1959 · #3 06-11-2020, 09:35 PM

I would rate Ted Williams Topps cards as being underrated relative to his status. Those Williams cards typically sell for the same or less than some of his HOF counterparts like Aaron, Mays, Clemente, and, of course, Mantle. I don't know about his WAR, but his OPS is second only to Babe Ruth, and 35 points higher than the Iron Horse, Lou Gehrig. There's a good example on eBay right now featuring a '56 Topps Williams and a '56 Topps Jackie Robinson - same seller, same grade, same grading company, and the ending times of both listings are only 2 minutes apart. Yet Jackie is beating Ted by about $40, and likely will have a higher final bid as well.

Tyruscobb · #4 06-11-2020, 10:24 PM

In my humble opinion, both 1955 Hank Aarons (Bowman & Topps) are undervalued and bargains. 1955 was Aaron�s second year. 1955 was his first Bowman issue and just his second Topps card.

Yet, in graded 5s, the Bowman sells for under $200.00 and the Topps for $350.00. Compare these prices with the 1955 Willie Mays cards which are his fourth year ones. Mays� 1955 Bowman, in a graded 5, sells for around $225.00, and the Topps for around $400.00.

Further compare this with Mickey Mantle�s sole 1955 card. You could own both Hank Aaron�s 1955 cards, in a graded 5, for less than the cost of the Mantle in the same grade.

drumback · #5 06-11-2020, 11:02 PM

If Eddie Collins was so boring, why did they call him Cocky Collins? He was smarter than just about every player in the game, and he knew it, and used it to his advantage on the field. He drove pitchers crazy on the basepaths, sometimes stealing bases before the pitcher even threw a pitch. Conversely, he was one of the most superstitious players of his time as well. Really, one of the most interesting players of the deadball era.

rhettyeakley · #6 06-12-2020, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by drumback

If Eddie Collins was so boring, why did they call him Cocky Collins? He was smarter than just about every player in the game, and he knew it, and used it to his advantage on the field. He drove pitchers crazy on the basepaths, sometimes stealing bases before the pitcher even threw a pitch. Conversely, he was one of the most superstitious players of his time as well. Really, one of the most interesting players of the deadball era.

I don�t think he was boring, nor was he probably considered �boring� during his time. That being said I can�t really remember ever hearing a romanticized story regarding Eddie Collins ever being told. It seems he just hasn�t carried with him the same aura of historical significance into our time as many of his contemporaries did so he could be viewed as �boring� by today�s collectors. Whatever the reason, I don�t think I have ever met someone that focuses on Collins... but I have met quite a few Lajoie, Foxx, Speaker, etc collectors. Collins is considered one of the top 25-30 players in the history of the game by many Experts.

Jason19th · #7 06-12-2020, 03:54 PM

I have always thought that Monte Irvin was criminally underrated. I know he had a short career in the major because of the color line, but he was star from day one and was a truly great player. Yet his cards are barely above commons

seanofjapan · #8 06-12-2020, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I don’t think he was boring, nor was he probably considered “boring” during his time. That being said I can’t really remember ever hearing a romanticized story regarding Eddie Collins ever being told. It seems he just hasn’t carried with him the same aura of historical significance into our time as many of his contemporaries did so he could be viewed as “boring” by today’s collectors. Whatever the reason, I don’t think I have ever met someone that focuses on Collins... but I have met quite a few Lajoie, Foxx, Speaker, etc collectors. Collins is considered one of the top 25-30 players in the history of the game by many Experts.

For me at least part of the problem with Collins is that his overall life story is very uninspiring. He has some racist baggage, which wasn’t unusual among players of his day. But what sets him apart is that there is no “redemption” part of his story in that regard. Other guys like Ty Cobb or Tris Speaker mellowed out and became way more accepting later in life, especially after Jackie Robinson came around. Speaker was a former Klansman who later helped Larry Doby break the color barrier in the AL for example. So you can find something redeeming in their life story that makes them a bit more appealing despite their rough edges.

Collins doesn’t have anything like that in his story. Later in life he played a key role in blocking desegregation on the Red Sox way after most of his contemporaries came around. He was just plain on the wrong side of history. Its really hard to get enthusiastic about a guy like that. Its particularly the case since when you read his bio this is basically the last chapter, so his story ends on this negative note.

Huysmans · #9 06-12-2020, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

In my humble opinion, both 1955 Hank Aarons (Bowman & Topps) are undervalued and bargains. 1955 was Aaron�s second year. 1955 was his first Bowman issue and just his second Topps card.

Yet, in graded 5s, the Bowman sells for under $200.00 and the Topps for $350.00. Compare these prices with the 1955 Willie Mays cards which are his fourth year ones. Mays� 1955 Bowman, in a graded 5, sells for around $225.00, and the Topps for around $400.00.

Further compare this with Mickey Mantle�s sole 1955 card. You could own both Hank Aaron�s 1955 cards, in a graded 5, for less than the cost of the Mantle in the same grade.

Well this clearly shows that collectors value Mays over Aaron, and Mantle over them both.
And this shouldn't be surprising, Mantle is the undisputed king of the post-war hobby.

Donscards · #10 06-12-2020, 07:07 AM

As far as rookies, I think the 1951 Bowman Willie Mays is undervalued, and all Stan Musial cards.

bobbyw8469 · #11 06-12-2020, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Donscards

As far as rookies, I think the 1951 Bowman Willie Mays is undervalued, and all Stan Musial cards.

I would hardly call PSA 1's being at $1,500 as undervalued. But, what do I know.

T_Hamilton · #12 06-12-2020, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Donscards

As far as rookies, I think the 1951 Bowman Willie Mays is undervalued, and all Stan Musial cards.

I agree with Stan the Man!

Natswin2019 · #13 06-12-2020, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Donscards

As far as rookies, I think the 1951 Bowman Willie Mays is undervalued, and all Stan Musial cards.

I'd agree with Stan being undervalued. I was able to pick up a nice looking 1960 Stan for pretty cheap recently

brewing · #14 06-12-2020, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

In my humble opinion, both 1955 Hank Aarons (Bowman & Topps) are undervalued and bargains. 1955 was Aaron�s second year. 1955 was his first Bowman issue and just his second Topps card.

Yet, in graded 5s, the Bowman sells for under $200.00 and the Topps for $350.00. Compare these prices with the 1955 Willie Mays cards which are his fourth year ones. Mays� 1955 Bowman, in a graded 5, sells for around $225.00, and the Topps for around $400.00.

I agree overall. Although for 55 Topps, the Mays is a high number which has a big factor on the price.

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