FURTHER UPDATED -- T206 524-Card Set Complete & On PSA Registry

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I doubt he took his last million and bought some baseball cards. I disagree with you about it being "beyond rude". It doesn't leave any room for actions that are actually rude. Take care, I need to get back to work so I can buy some more baseball cards. Rob

I must come from a different time/place. I was simply raised that another person's pockets are absolutely none of my business.

[samosa4u]

Daaammmmmnnnnn!!!!! Well done!

Are you gonna' get that Wagner into a new PSA case?

I think you should PSA that Doyle.

[maniac_73]

I like to check this thread daily just to see the cards again lol. Still so awesome and love that you shared it with us!

[Tao_Moko]

The Doyle is essentially an unobtainable card in my eyes so it's amazing to see it done. Unique only to the Olberman proofs which are obviously not considered in any set calculation. I remember reading the story about Larry Fritsch finding the Doyle while sorting through thousands of cards in the '70's and thinking how fun it would have been to make a discovery like that. Congrats on the acquisition.

[conor912]

I dont collect the set and generally ignore any thread with T206 in the title, but glad I popped into this one. A great accomplishment indeed!

[pawpawdiv9]

Mount Rushmore being replace with these 4 iconic pieces of cardboard.
WOW! You sir are on fire!!!!
I understand the Wag..but have zero knowledge of this Doyle..all i ever seen was the other s in the set. Dont know why its so rare and etc.
You have a impresive collection and would love seeing your whole collection on Flickr or whatever.
Congrats.
Btw....birthday coming up...Leon it be great to see a T-shirt with the Big 4 on it commerorating this awesome acheivment.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

I understand the Wag..but have zero knowledge of this Doyle..all i ever seen was the other s in the set. Dont know why its so rare and etc.

Here are the basics:

Joe Doyle played for the New York Highlanders in the American League, and Larry Doyle played for the New York Giants in the National League.

Originally, the Joe Doyle cards were printed with the caption "Doyle, N.Y. Nat'l".

Apparently very early in the print run, the caption was corrected to delete the "Nat'l" reference. Noticeably, no effort was made to adjust the centering of the remaining caption, or to add the correct "Amer"; all the corrected Joe Doyle captions are off-center to the left.

The error was never noticed until the 1970s, when Larry Fritsch discovered it. To this day, I believe fewer than ten copies of the "Doyle, N.Y. Nat'l" cards exist.

Steve

[RCMcKenzie]

Joe, we are talking about 2 different things.

Let's say we were on a residential real estate chat-board, and someone posted a nice house. It would not be rude for people to ask how much it went for. "Hey, I just picked up Elon Musk's Willie Wonka house?" "Awesome, what'd you get it for?" etc

It's not the same as asking your brother-in-law how much he owes on his mortgage. I think we basically agree. It was a bst sale. Not unlike the ones where people delete the asking price after the sale. Rob

[rats60]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Joe, we are talking about 2 different things.

Let's say we were on a residential real estate chat-board, and someone posted a nice house. It would not be rude for people to ask how much it went for. "Hey, I just picked up Elon Musk's Willie Wonka house?" "Awesome, what'd you get it for?" etc

It's not the same as asking your brother-in-law how much he owes on his mortgage. I think we basically agree. It was a bst sale. Not unlike the ones where people delete the asking price after the sale. Rob

Mile High Card Co. is auctioning off a PSA 1 Wagner in August, so you will get an idea of value in a couple months.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by rats60

Mile High Card Co. is auctioning off a PSA 1 Wagner in August, so you will get an idea of value in a couple months.

SMR for t206 Wagner psa 1 is $550k so should sell somewhere in that vicinity.

[Thromdog]

Ryan, congrats on acquiring these guys....fantastic! I do hope you’re able to acquire a solid 520 to go with them, which is a great idea. Hopefully one of these registry guys will help you out.

[PhillyFan1883]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

SMR for t206 Wagner psa 1 is $550k so should sell somewhere in that vicinity.

SMR is not a reliable source to gauge the price of a historic card like this. Honestly, I think its safe to say SMR is not reliable source for any card for that matter. A PSA Authentic with three of the 4 boarders chopped off sold in late 2019 for 540k. That puts the mile high copy coming up well above that. You would have to think 150k-450k more. Check out vintage card prices dot com to see actual sales of any vintage card.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by PhillyFan1883

SMR is not a reliable source to gauge the price of a historic card like this. Honestly, I think its safe to say SMR is not reliable source for any card for that matter. A PSA Authentic with three of the 4 boarders chopped off sold in late 2019 for 540k. That puts the mile high copy coming up well above that. You would have to think 150k-450k more. Check out vintage card prices dot com to see actual sales of any vintage card.

With the large jumps in prices of modern cards, it will be interesting to see if that translates to the Wagners. A Trout card just sold for 922k, why wouldn’t a Wagner sell for more?

[Edwolf1963]

Smh, I have several of these laying around. Mine even say "RP" which I'm sure stands for "Real Pure" so I know they're authentic

.. seriously, congratulations and thanks for sharing!

[PhillyFan1883]

Originally Posted by rats60

With the large jumps in prices of modern cards, it will be interesting to see if that translates to the Wagners. A Trout card just sold for 922k, why wouldn’t a Wagner sell for more?

I agree whole heartedly my friend. My suspicion is the Mile high Wagner coming up will trade for 750k-1mil.

I just go back to the copy with three boarders trimmed off trading for the amount of a nice house in the burbs as my new gauge. Although that sale felt like pent up demand also because the card had not traded in a while, but none the less their is a new comp that suggest a big number..

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by PhillyFan1883

SMR is not a reliable source to gauge the price of a historic card like this. Honestly, I think its safe to say SMR is not reliable source for any card for that matter. A PSA Authentic with three of the 4 boarders chopped off sold in late 2019 for 540k. That puts the mile high copy coming up well above that. You would have to think 150k-450k more. Check out vintage card prices dot com to see actual sales of any vintage card.

Well SMR for psa 2 Wagner is $1,350,000 and mile high sold one for that price last October so I wouldn’t say SMR is not a reliable source for any card for that matter.

[RCMcKenzie]

Ed, a poster asked in the T206 bst if anyone had a Wagner because he knew someone who wanted to buy one. Powell said he had one. Ryan posted he wanted one. That's why I called it a bst sale, and not a private sale. I stood up for the guy that got trashed for guessing the sale price. They both seem happy with the deal, so all is good. Rob

[oldjudge]

Not being a T206 collector I don't understand why the Doyle NY trades at such a premium to the normal card. There are comparable errors in the Old Judge set(same image, incorrect nameplate) that trade at virtually no premium to the normal card, even though they are quite rare. For me the T206 set would be complete without it since there are only 523 distinct images. This is just a variety. But then again, as I said, I don't collect T206s.

[PhillyFan1883]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Well SMR for psa 2 Wagner is $1,350,000 and mile high sold one for that price last October so I wouldn’t say SMR is not a reliable source for any card for that matter.

SMR is not a reliable source for prices. Their prices are a rough estimated round about they update when they aren’t swamped grading altered cards as normal.

Why would they estimate the Wagner PSA 1 at 550k when a copy traded for 609K in 2017? Check auction links below. And more importantly how can they conclude a PSA 1 is the same price of an authentic wagner with three boarders chopped off?. Their prices never make sense. I just worry about collectors that use SMR for their pricing, and I have felt this way for a long time. Not trying to be combative to you specifically, I just have frustrations with SMR and people using it. It may be great for modern but I doubt it.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

https://catalog.scpauctions.com/1909...NAL_WAGNER__PS

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Well SMR for psa 2 Wagner is $1,350,000 and mile high sold one for that price last October so I wouldn’t say SMR is not a reliable source for any card for that matter.

When that card sold SMR was 775k, so it wasn’t accurate. That was based on a sale of 776750. The new sale of 1353625 was an increase of 74%. Apply that to the 550 and you get a new price of 958k. After that the Authentic with 3 sides cut off sold for 540k and again they didn’t raise the price. If you use the median between an A and 2 sale it would be 947k for a 1. If you use their valuation of Plank the 2 is 1.41 times the value of a 1. Apply that to the Wagner and you get 957k. Just based on more recent sales a 1 should be worth around 950k, even if they are conservative price it at 900k.

All this doesn’t factor in the recent jump in prices. There are clearly people throwing around big money for cards. We have a Trout selling for over 900k and a LeBron currently in auction at 900k. All it takes is 2 people with the money wanting a Wagner and the price could go even higher. Wagner is the one vintage card that should see a bump from the big money being paid for modern cards. When Gretzky paid 451k the his Wagner, it was expected to go for much less, so it shouldn’t be a surprise if this card goes over a million dollars.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

SMR for t206 Wagner psa 1 is $550k so should sell somewhere in that vicinity.

You said it should sell in the vicinity of 550k. We shall see how accurate that is.

[Jdoggs]

Yes rats we will see.

[Leon]

I think Wags cards are going to keep going up. They have almost never gone down aNd I don't see it in this atmosphere.

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[rats60]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

SMR for t206 Wagner psa 1 is $550k so should sell somewhere in that vicinity.

After the first day the Mile High Wagner is sitting at 756k with bp. It looks like a smart move buying before the next one was auctioned.

[LuckyLarry]

really cool!
Larry

[rats60]

Wagner sells for 1.17 million dollars, almost double what the last PSA 1 sold for 3 years ago.