Fake T218 Boxing Autographs on eBay

[david_l]

Hehe

I noticed they did some research too. For the Langford, someone had looked at an example at least.

Sadly, those T218s weren’t taken down but were all sold to someone.

I’m sure more will pop up soon though!

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...23f782ffee7b20

For comparison.
The second pic is from Leland’s:

[D. Bergin]

Oh my!

Ketchel was dead by October 1910, so that would be quite the coup.

Also, Langford signed T218 for 75 bucks and Jeffries for 30 bucks. Pretty Sweet!

[D. Bergin]

Ha Ha! I just stumbled on something really f'ing hilarious. Adam mentioned they did their research. I can pinpoint exactly where they did their research, based on the inscriptions.

It looks like Boxrec dot com is their main source of info.

I won't post any direct links, as Boxrec is an extremely valuable resource, it is also entirely dependent on your AdBlock/Virus/Malware and browser settings, whether it ends up freezing your screen or not.

T218 Jack Twin Sullivan:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T218-J...p2047675.l2557

Inscription reads "1174 Rounds"

Boxrec profile lists "1174 Rounds" fought. Correct info............right? Well it, took boxrec up until very recently to compile that list of rounds..........and it's contingent on only verifiable bouts and likely a couple decades of research. There is literally no way, a boxer many decades ago comes up with the same number of rounds as a research database does in the year 2020.


Next.

T218 Johnny Marto

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T218-J...p2047675.l2557

Inscribed record "12-4-1"

Exact record listed at the top of Johnny Marto's Boxrec page "12-4-1"

This is a guy who had 125 Confirmed bouts through research, and likely many more we'll never find evidence for. Boxrec came about their number through official "decisions", while notating newspaper decision bouts and various other complications due to the laws of boxing during that time period. There is no way possible Marto is going to regurgitate a record in an inscription many decades ago, that jives with the exact record a boxing database pumps out in the year 2020. If anything retired boxers from that time period give themselves credit for many more (sometimes hundreds more fights), then what we have discovered through present day research.

Just two obvious examples I've found.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by david_l

Sadly, those T218s weren’t taken down but were all sold to someone.

That's a shame; someone got ripped off.

Betcha PSA would authenticate them...

[D. Bergin]

Marto sold today for 40 bucks........and then relisted for $55 bucks.

LO..............f'ing..........L!

[D. Bergin]

Another one:

Jack Goodman T218

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T218-J...p2047675.l2557


Inscription says "4-1"

Boxrec page lists "4-1" at the top of the page, with 40 confirmed bouts. Again, this boxer never would have seen his own record the same as Boxrec does in the year 2020.

[G1911]

If someone is dumb enough to believe these are real and buy them, well.... I don't want to say they deserve it, but at some point it becomes their own fault. The Ketchel is particularly amazing, he had 5-6 months to sign a card at a time in which autograph collecting was not really a thing anyways.

[Tao_Moko]

It was me. However, I "reserved" them to bring awareness to the seller as I expected they were fake. And, in the off chance they were real was willing to take a risk at their low price. The Kline was the first to jump out and the "S" in Summers and lastly the Sharpie ink. If they had a 1% chance of being legit it would have been a once in a lifetime find. Seller refunded me within minutes of my purchase(the amount of time I needed to verify them). I am not the eBay police but I did bring awareness to the seller of my concerns and some evidence to support it. Most of the cards were $40-$55 which is not a gross overcharge from their raw value and they were in decent shape. Nobody is getting burned too badly if they don't get taken down. That may be a sh*try outlook, but there are bigger problems in the world then a handful of fake autos for $50 and the seller had zero issues refunding. This may fire some of you guys up, but I've seen it for 35 years and just kind of numb to it. Buyer must always beware.

[G1911]

Personally, the seller is committing blatant fraud and $50 for a poor grade T218 common is a 1000%+ price increase for a card doctored in the face of all decency and ethics.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Another one:

Jack Goodman T218

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T218-J...p2047675.l2557




Inscription says "4-1"

Boxrec page lists "4-1" at the top of the page, with 40 confirmed bouts. Again, this boxer never would have seen his own record the same as Boxrec does in the year 2020.

It doesn't match what the back of the card says either.

[milkit1]

they are back:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T218-J...UAAOSw6~de6j4E

[diamondstars]

And again?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335553558102

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335553559848