1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

[Exhibitman]

Anyone have any perforated examples of boxers besides Louis?

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171169

Everything that was interesting about this topic can be found in the thread above. Staying away from round/cropped corners is everyone's safest bet

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171169

Everything that was interesting about this topic can be found in the thread above. Staying away from round/cropped corners is everyone's safest bet

The referenced thread and those threads cited in it provide the extensive detailed work of net54 member CharleyBrown and others into understanding and dating the 13 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson giveaway cards going back for several years.

In fact, Charley Brown still has not stopped his continuing research. Last week I received a message from a member asking about those 13 cards, and naturally I responded by referring him to CharleyBrown's thread. The recipient replied by identifying himself as CharleyBrown -- still looking for more information. He will go to no end to date those 13 cards and is unafraid of the consequences.

For at least 30 years prior to his efforts, the entire 13 card set was believed to have been issued in 1947, Robinson's rookie year in Major league Baseball. It had been discovered that one of the cards in the set came from an ACME Newservices Photo taken in 1949, thus opening up the question when each of the 13 cards was issued.

In looking at CharleyBrown's thread again since his message, I found an outdated link to Robert Edwards Spring 2012 auction with Lot 497, six of the first card from the set (the Jackie Robinson, Portrait, Facsimile Autograph card). Here is an updated weblink to that auction listing: https://robertedwardauctions.com/auc...psa-collection and a scan of the lot.



That auction lot is important because it provides the story of how the original owner of those cards, a nine year old back in 1947, obtained a quantity of this first card from a Bond Bread driver delivering them to a store for the giveaway that Bond Bread's 1947 newspaper advertising promised. That and the newspaper advertising establish that at least one card of the set was issued in 1947.

What has caused many people confusion about the dating of those cards is that several cards are enhanced or modified versions of the original pictures on which they are based. For example:



This is the so-called “Bat Follow, White Sleeves” card. The original photo, from International News Photos, was taken after Branch Rickey signed Jackie Robinson in August 1946 and pictures Robinson in his Montreal Royals minor league team jersey. The picture printed on the card was modified to change the team name on the jersey from Montreal to Dodgers, to remove the minor league team colors from the jersey to conform with Dodger jersey colors, and to make Robinson's face more distinguishable. The “Portrait, Glove in Air” card is likewise a modified photograph of Robinson in his Montreal jersey. Other pictures shown on some of the cards in the set also have minor modifications.

Since the discovery that a 1949 photo was used on one of the cards in the set, the question has remained about several of these cards as to the dates of issue (i.e., are they a rookie card or not?). Most cards of this set have been selling for four figures for years and are now approaching five figures.

Original work Copyright 2020, by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521. No claim to the original work of others.

[abctoo]

A collector of film star cards has confirmed the "Screen Star Subjects" set with "rounded corners" comes in both the 1st printing boxes (with a clear "W.S. / N.Y." printed on back) and the 2nd printing boxes (with the "W.S. / N.Y. obliterated). It appears the "Sport Star Subjects" with "rounded corners" may be in similar 1st and 2nd printing boxes.



This set is listed in Post 283 above as "4. Set of 48 issued in four boxes of 12 (Series 1-4) labeled “Screen Star Subjects,” single sided, printed on white cardstock with “rounded” corners."


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[phikappapsi]

Mike - Maybe I'm missing something here - but it appears all your efforts are basically finalizing themselves in an attempt to tell Ted and anyone else that physically removed rounded corner bond bread Jackie Robinson cards from packages of bond bread - that they in fact did not. (bold claim) and that all the rounded corner cards that have been identified as Bond Bread cards are in fact Sports star subject cards.

Am I missing something? or is that ultimately what you're trying to say (VERY long-winded-ly)

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

Mike - Maybe I'm missing something here - but it appears all your efforts are basically finalizing themselves in an attempt to tell Ted and anyone else that physically removed rounded corner bond bread Jackie Robinson cards from packages of bond bread - that they in fact did not. (bold claim) and that all the rounded corner cards that have been identified as Bond Bread cards are in fact Sports star subject cards.

Am I missing something? or is that ultimately what you're trying to say (VERY long-winded-ly)

Phikappapsi,

Do you deny the fact that two separate sets of 48 virtually identical cards with "white backs" and "rounded corners" have existed for more than 30 years? The sets I am referring to are: (1) the Bond Bread package insert set distributed one per bread package in 1947-48, and (2) the "Sport Star Subjects" set issued in four series of boxes of 12 different.

Why is it whenever I mention the two different sets, someone thinks I am criticizing Ted? I am not.

The thrust of Ted's initial issue in 2009 was to distinguish white back "rounded corner" cards of the Bond Bread package insert set from the "square corner," toned "brown back" cards of the Festberg find. At the time, many of the "brown back" cards were being identified by dealers and grading services alike as "1947 Bond Bread" package inserts when none of the "brown back" cards ever saw a Bond Bread package. Ted provided an easy way to distinguish the two sets by saying the Bond Bread package insert cards had white backs and rounded corners, and the Festberg cards had toned brown backs and square corners.

With the potential of more than 3,000 cards of each player in the Festberg find reentering the market after their initial release in the 1980s, Ted's 2009 distinction alone prevented many from paying outrageous prices for a higher grade Jackie Robinson "rookie" card than the price of an actual card that had come from a Bond Bread package.

Since Ted's initial post in 2009, most people who did not get caught in the trap being foisted in the marketplace about the cards of the Festberg find owe Ted a great deal of thanks for distinguishing between the two sets.

But, what started out as an excellent way to tell Bond Bread package insert apart from the Festberg find (white back & rounded corners vs. toned back & square corners) does not apply to distinguishing the Bond Bread package insert cards from the "Sport Star Subjects" cards.

A solution to the problem of distinguishing Bond Bread inserts from "Sport Star Subjects" cards is what I am trying to provide. The cards of both sets appear on their face to be virtually identical. That is not criticism of Ted. In fact I believe that Ted started this thread with the intent of separating all of the Bond Bread lookalikes from actual Bond Bread package inserts.

If one is only going to read my stuff thinking I am criticizing Ted, then one will miss the point and be caught in another misidentification trap in the marketplace.

Some people may not like what I write and others may have interests in protecting the value of misattributed cards they bought. But please, let us all get past personal issues and try to do what Ted intended -- show the differences between actual Bond Bread package inserts and its "impostors."

Original work Copyright 2020 by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521. No claim to the original work of others.

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Anyone have any perforated examples of boxers besides Louis?

In addition to the Joe Louis card you posted (Hopalong Cassidy is the cowboy pictured on the other side), I think the only other boxer in this perforated dual sided set is Marcel Cerdan with Joan Crawford on the other side. Sorry about the scan below, it's the best image of the Cerdan/Crawford card I have been able to reconstruct.



If anyone has any information about the other perforated dual sided cards I sought yesterday (July 3, 2020) in Post 287 above, your help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike


Original work Copyright 2020 by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521. No claim to the work of others.