1966 Topps High's - Any uncut sheets or partial sheets known?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by rats60

Does your information so far fit with the hobby's belief of 43 (44 counting the checklist) SPs appearing on the same rows and 33 DPs on the same rows? If so, would this lead to a belief that SPs were printed 3 times on the 2 sheets and DPs 4 times?

What we have seen from the partial sheets and misfits does not really indicate 44 SP’a, and some of the specific alleged “SP’s” have been pretty clearly debunked, like McCovey and Williams. I would guess there are two slightly SP’d rows on a full sheet, but we can’t definitively prove any total number yet.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by G1911

What we have seen from the partial sheets and misfits does not really indicate 44 SP’a, and some of the specific alleged “SP’s” have been pretty clearly debunked, like McCovey and Williams. I would guess there are two slightly SP’d rows on a full sheet, but we can’t definitively prove any total number yet.

The math has to work out. 44 x 3 + 33 x 4 = 264. There has to be at least 3 SP rows B with Coleman, C with Hoerner and G with Jackson. If there are only 33 SPs then one of the rows, probably G would only be printed twice. If we can place #583 and #598 it would help a lot. A and D are clearly DP rows meaning that Northrup and 571 Roberts are DPs not SPs. I would tend to agree that E with Williams and McCovey is a DP row. I never felt that they were that tough. That would only leave F as an unknown row. This information shows that there are errors in the hobby's list of SPs for 1966 high numbers.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by rats60

The math has to work out. 44 x 3 + 33 x 4 = 264. There has to be at least 3 SP rows B with Coleman, C with Hoerner and G with Jackson. If there are only 33 SPs then one of the rows, probably G would only be printed twice. If we can place #583 and #598 it would help a lot. A and D are clearly DP rows meaning that Northrup and 571 Roberts are DPs not SPs. I would tend to agree that E with Williams and McCovey is a DP row. I never felt that they were that tough. That would only leave F as an unknown row. This information shows that there are errors in the hobby's list of SPs for 1966 high numbers.

44x3 and 33x4 is not the only way to reach 264. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we have a situation like in 1967 with a possible 2x row. We don't have the evidence to make conclusions on how many times a row appeared at all yet, so it's just conjecture. Will be interesting to see if we can actually recreate a full sheet from this method. We can say the traditional SP list is debunked, but that's about all. We need more top/down miscuts to start working on the columns better while we hunt for the missing row cut clues.

[JollyElm]

Here's a reimagining of the images from post #20 (with additional information gleaned from other posts)...

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If anyone has groups of numbers, columns, rows, etc., you wanna see realized, shoot me the specific numbers and how they're situated.

Technical note: the images are small, because there are size constraints involved when uploading them directly from my computer. As this effort moves forward, I can always upload them to flickr and have them displayed hugely here.

Edited to add: I took some of the info posted by Kevvyg1026 to extend the rows outward.

[JollyElm]

And another...

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Edited to add: I took some of the info posted by Kevvyg1026 to extend the rows outward.

[Kevvyg1026]

The McCovey 4 card strip shown in layout 6 is adjacent to the B Williams card shown in layout 1. Card 561 (Choo Choo) can be placed next to Bob Chance, also shown in layout 1.

[JollyElm]

Does this work?

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I continued the Northrup row, too.

[Kevvyg1026]

Awesome. The two cards between McCovey & Choo Choo are 523 and 542. However, we do not have confirmation yet of which goes where, although I suspect that the proper order is Choo Choo, 523, 542, McCovey.