Now that MLB is back...does anyone care?

G1911 · #1 07-04-2020, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I can�t believe there are so many people who fall into the owner�s narrative trap about the players being �millionaires who play a game�.

The owners are BILLIONAIRES who don�t want to pay people to work. How can anyone be on the side of people who by and large inherited their fortunes and never worked a day in their life.

How do they not want to pay people to work? What player is working and not getting paid? They don't want to pay players not to play, actually....

It's not that I'm on the Billionaires side, it's that in the constant public money fighting between millionaires and billionaires, they all seem whiny and unappealing.

packs · #2 07-04-2020, 02:05 PM

The A�s are valued at over 2 billion dollars and as soon as the minor league season was cancelled they stopped paying the players $400 a week so they could save 1.3 million dollars. The owners only reversed course after the league made enough noise about it. Why should the players not want to get paid when all the owners want to do is screw them and make it look like the players are the bad guys?

The owners originally wanted to pay the players one third of their salary regardless of how many games they played.

G1911 · #3 07-04-2020, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

The A�s are valued at over 2 billion dollars and as soon as the minor league season was cancelled they stopped paying the players $400 a week so they could save 1.3 million dollars. The owners only reversed course after the league made enough noise about it. Why should the players not want to get paid when all the owners want to do is screw them and make it look like the players are the bad guys?

The owners originally wanted to pay the players one third of their salary regardless of how many games they played.

This is decidedly NOT "...who don�t want to pay people to work". They didn't pay some minor leaguers who didn't work. I stand by the facts in my statement, and my opinion of them. Again, I did not say anything positive about the owners, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Chuck9788 · #4 07-04-2020, 11:40 PM

I just see it as a big tournament, (below) should be the World Series rings that they give out.

packs · #5 07-05-2020, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

This is decidedly NOT "...who don’t want to pay people to work". They didn't pay some minor leaguers who didn't work. I stand by the facts in my statement, and my opinion of them. Again, I did not say anything positive about the owners, so I'm not sure what your point is.

It definitely is. Being a minor league player isn’t like having your job. When the industry shuts down they’re still expected to maintain a certain physical condition, train and follow all team rules in the meantime (rules that may limit your employment opportunities depending on what activities your contract allows). However the team didn’t want to offer any salary for that commitment or resources. The team can’t offer team facilities and they didn’t offer to pay for private instruction either. They expect you to do all the things you would have for no pay and at your own expense AND to find a way to make a living outside of baseball on top of it.

When it comes to the major league players, the owners wanted to pay a 54 game salary regardless of how many games were played. If the season was 100 games, they wanted to pay for 54. The players are only now getting paid a prorated salary for every game they do play because of the Union. Not because the owners wanted to pay people to work.

Please offer any counterpoint of your choosing that demonstrates the players are asking for things you wouldn’t ask for at your own job.

G1911 · #6 07-05-2020, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by packs

It definitely is. Being a minor league player isn�t like having your job. When the industry shuts down they�re still expected to maintain a certain physical condition, train and follow all team rules in the meantime (rules that may limit your employment opportunities depending on what activities your contract allows). However the team didn�t want to offer any salary for that commitment or resources. The team can�t offer team facilities and they didn�t offer to pay for private instruction either. They expect you to do all the things you would have for no pay and at your own expense AND to find a way to make a living outside of baseball on top of it.

When it comes to the major league players, the owners wanted to pay a 54 game salary regardless of how many games were played. If the season was 100 games, they wanted to pay for 54. The players are only now getting paid a prorated salary for every game they do play because of the Union. Not because the owners wanted to pay people to work.

Please offer any counterpoint of your choosing that demonstrates the players are asking for things you wouldn�t ask for at your own job.

The part that is a factual claim is completely false. They are not and didn't try too refuse to pay players who are working. Some teams are not paying players that are not working. This is how it works in every industry. If I am an hourly employee, I still have to remember how to do my job and remain in physical condition good enough to do that job. The company does not pay you for the time spent exercising if your job has physical demands. Like 25% of this country was recently furloughed from their jobs too, they did not get paid, because they were not working. Your statement is factually wrong.

They are asking for things I wouldn't. Heck, I took a mandatory paycut happily a couple months ago, and then I issued myself a bigger paycut than I had to take so we could slightly improve our odds of survival as a company, and give a little more to my employees that make less and need it more immediately than I do. Revenues are down everywhere, not just for MLB that can't sell tickets anymore and missed almost 2/3 of the season completely. Most of us, who make a hell of a lot less, are in a similar boat, or much worse. The difference is they still have a mansion at the end of the day, and I'm not griping about my salary for the year.

Again, I'm not praising the owners or saying they are right. I said I find the constant griping from players to the media about how they don't make enough millions and are oppressed by the owners to be obnoxious. The owners are obnoxious too, but they aren't being rolled out as victims and they aren't the ones we go to the games to watch. I also said the owners did not attempt not to pay players who are working. That is not an opinion, that part is 100% true. I guess I should not be surprised a fact is controversial because one doesn't like it.

You are making claims that are 100% factually wrong, and then arguing against a perspective I did not express and do not hold rather than the one I stated. Makes this rather stupid and pointless.

packs · #7 07-05-2020, 12:29 PM

To each their own. There could have been a 114 game season but the owners didn’t want to pay for it.

G1911 · #8 07-05-2020, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I�m glad we�re talking about facts. All the way back on May 31 the players wanted to play 114 games with no salary cuts. The owners wouldn�t agree to terms. On June 1 the owners said they would pay a prorated salary for a 50 game season so they could save money. There�s your concrete example of not wanting to pay people to work.

Do you seriously not understand the difference between a pay cut or prorated salary and not paying people? The owners wanting to pay them less is entirely different from your claim that they tried not to pay people who are working (which is federally illegal even). This is the stupidest conversation we could possibly have. Good luck to you.

todeen · #9 07-05-2020, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

To each their own. There could have been a 114 game season but the owners didn�t want to pay for it.

I actually agree with the owners that a shorter season was most safe. The longer the season the greater risk of the season stopping due to another round of quarantine.

But I was disappointed the owners asked for additional paycuts beyond the prorated salaries. I understood why they asked, but I supported the players stance that the issue was already settled.

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1952boyntoncollector · #10 07-05-2020, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

To each their own. There could have been a 114 game season but the owners didn�t want to pay for it.

theres a reason they didnt want to pay for it they thought they would be losing money...just because someone has money doesnt mean they have to pay you 40 dollars for a can of soda....

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