Best lefty off all time? My vote is Koufax!

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

delete, just not worth it.....

I played semi-professional hacky sack for 10 years.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I played semi-professional hacky sack for 10 years.

Wow, didnt know how qualified you were.

[Shoeless Moe]

Koufax to me is a left handed version of John Clarkson, and you never hear his name mentioned as the Greatest Righty of All Time.

Why?

He didn't have the longevity of Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson.

Need some longevity to be the BEST.

Best 4-5 year run probably, best ever.....NO!

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Koufax to me is a right handed John Clarkson, and you never hear his name mentioned as the Greatest Righty of All Time.

Why?

He didn't have the longevity of Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson.

Need some longevity to be the BEST.

Best 4-5 year run probably, best ever.....NO!

Paul, with that statement, you have just pissed in the Church social punch bowl..... WTF???? John Clarkson??

[Shoeless Moe]

What's wrong with Clarkson? HOFer, best pitcher of the 19th century by far.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Koufax to me is a left handed version of John Clarkson, and you never hear his name mentioned as the Greatest Righty of All Time.

Why?

He didn't have the longevity of Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson.

Need some longevity to be the BEST.

Best 4-5 year run probably, best ever.....NO!

Paul, for the record, I think Johnson and Matty are two of the best Ten pitchers of all time....Ironic isn't it? I put them ahead of Cy Young who had over 500 wins!!

[Shoeless Moe]

Right but Cy Young got the award named after him.....because of the wins.

Compare Clarkson to Young

Clarkson 12 years 328 wins
Young 22 years 511 wins

Had Clarkson pitched 10 more years he passes that 511, and the award is named after him.

But he didn't. Not even brought up amongst the greatest........all due to longevity.

At that brings us to Mr Koufax, tremendous pitcher no doubt, but the longevity kills him. Just like it did Clarkson in historic context. Sorry Koufax fans, face the facts.

[Shoeless Moe]

Why isn't Smokey Joe Wood considered the Greatest RH-er or even in the discussion????

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...woodjo02.shtml

His numbers are as good, if not better, as any for a shorter time frame then Mathewson, Johnson, Feller, Gibson, etc.

Why?

Longevity.


The only reason Koufax is in the conversation is because people have seen him, he's more recent, more video footage, otherwise he's in the same boat as Clarkson and Wood. The "if they only pitched longer, they could be considered the best ever" boat. But they didn't.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Right but Cy Young got the award named after him.....because of the wins.

Compare Clarkson to Young

Clarkson 12 years 328 wins
Young 22 years 511 wins

Had Clarkson pitched 10 more years he passes that 511, and the award is named after him.

But he didn't. Not even brought up amongst the greatest........all due to longevity.

At that brings us to Mr Koufax, tremendous pitcher no doubt, but the longevity kills him. Just like it did Clarkson in historic context. Sorry Koufax fans, face the facts.

It's hard... no, impossible to argue against this...
Great point. Probably the best one made in this thread.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Paul, for the record, I think Johnson and Matty are two of the best Ten pitchers of all time....Ironic isn't it? I put them ahead of Cy Young who had over 500 wins!!

And Kevin you help prove my point here, you immediately mention Johnson and Mathewson, but why didn't you mention Smokey Joe Wood?


Longevity.....He had a very similar run to what Koufax had, hell probably better......so you should have said Wood, but the reason you didn't is because the others are considered the best pitchers of their time.